Does God Exist...Prove it!

By The Acadiana Athiest
Published/Last Modified on Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:37 AM CDT

What you believe as a Christian is that there is a non physical devine being that live in a inaccessible realm of existence that is seperate from our universe. Any attempt to argue that a divine being lives in an inaccessible realm of reality is an attempt to argue for the impossible or the unknowable. Logic alone can refute impossible beings, but it can't show that possible beings exist without evidence. If you can't at some point provide measurable verifiable evidence for the specific being that you claim to exist, all the arguments in the world won't establish your claim as fact.

This is one reason that when someone claims that they have a logical argument that requires the creator of one personel creator of our universe, the argument is fallacious because you have failed to understand what is required to establish such an existence claim. It's just a question in verifying where the errors are.

However seemingly plausible they may sound to the unwary, or the already persuaded, all popular agruments for the existence of specific gods are based on false premises and or conclusions and unjustified predispositions.

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Many people with thiestic beliefs don't get tangled up in persuing doomed arguments. They know they can't prove god with logic and have no need to do so. They realize that their beliefs a personal and that others are entitled to different views.

A belief in one or more gods might sustain you in your own life. But when you pressure others to adopt your beliefs and participate in practices associated in those beliefs. You give up the luxury in not having to explain yourself. You give yourself the burden of proof, and certain reasons that might seem sound when justifying a belief to yourself are simply not valid when you are trying to prove existence claims to other people however passionately you express them. You can't pester and bully people and then retreat behind faith when challeged about your beliefs.

 

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Comments

    DAVID wrote on Nov 27, 2009 3:21 PM:

    " To Atheist : What is your teaching regarding Darwin and his account of survival of the fittest ( oops - evolution supposition ) ? And you are proud you blew the theory of SANTA ! "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 26, 2009 9:49 AM:

    " David,

    You are correct, atheism comes naturally. A friend's parents decided my 6 year old should be indoctrinated with stories of God watching everything he did and punishing him when he was bad. He told me all this and then said, "I think God sounds like Santa Claus." So we had the God talk at the same time we had the Santa talk. His next line was "I guess some people never stop playing the God game."

    Out of the mouth of babes, indeed. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 25, 2009 2:37 PM:

    " To Atheist : To let you know how loving our GOD is , if by chance on your dying bed you come to the knowledge of GOD your entry into heaven can be guaranteed . First you must recognize the error of your ways , repent , ask for forgiveness , believe and your name will be counted as the saved . Those who come to this knowledge while still alive must go and sin no more and if you do sin , repent . The penalty of being fierypit bound is a deterrent of bad behaviour. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 25, 2009 1:56 PM:

    " To Atheist : No professed artiest to my knowledge within the family . The end reward of a CHRISTIAN lifestyle is eternal life with GOD and is the desired reward and main focus not the penalty . How does a parent teach a child to be an atheist ? Since there is no GOD should that belief come naturally? If the children choose to not believe they way you do what is your response to them ? Why is it that all people question the existence of a SUPREME BEING and some live as though GOD exists ? "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 25, 2009 8:06 AM:

    " David,

    If I thought even one iota that I was going to spend an eternity in firey torment because of what I didn't believe in this short time on earth, then I would gladly try to find a way to believe. I'm raising my children as atheists. Do you think I would raise my children to end up in a lake of fire if somewhere in the back of my mind, I secretly believed in God?

    Do you have any atheist relatives, David? "

    Concerned wrote on Nov 24, 2009 9:26 PM:

    " What a RIDICULOUS post! To acadiana atheist if you would rather think you came from a monkey, bless your soul. There is no question mark, if there is a GOD, or Jesus Christ. Prayers go out to you. Eternity is a long time my friend. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 23, 2009 8:30 AM:

    " To all who know there is no GOD , why argue the point . You will not sway the hardcore believers . Do you argue the issue because your faith in " no GOD " IS WEAK ANDS NEEDS REASSURANCE ?
    For those who know there is GOD ,do not be shaken when someone questions your belief . instead do a steadfast search and discover the true facts of GOD and share to those both in words and deeds . Maybe those who come agaimst your belief are searching for GOD themselves and need soft guidance . HAPPY THANKSGIVING "

    Ever Saved wrote on Nov 22, 2009 12:38 PM:

    " I don't need to prove it. I know God exists.
    You are the one that needs to find Him. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 20, 2009 1:24 PM:

    " Perhaps old fashioned logic may help . It is better have and not need than to need and not have . Live as if there is a GOD with the positive aspect and at the end if there is no GOD at least you will have lived your life well . Live as if there is a GOD with the positive aspects and at the end you will have lived your life well and be accepted to dwell with HIM FOR ETERNITY . Big bang theory assumes a lot of something from a little of nothing . "

    Prayerful wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:22 AM:

    " People who don't think there is a GOD and that he works in our lives are entitled to there opinions. Lets speak from a scientific point of view. We educated people know the laws of science.. and if you do, then you know something just doesn't spring from nothingness...right?..that being the case someone put the wheels in motion...an object at rest remains at rest until a force moves it...correct? there is a GOD..now seek him and he will reveal himself, his perfect work and blessings in your life.. "

    Goodworks wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:32 AM:

    " I would rather die believing there is a God and then find out there's no God, then to die not believing in a God, to find out there is a God and he does exist. "

    Decorum Please wrote on Nov 20, 2009 7:40 AM:

    " To the Staff of the Daily Iberian,
    Please enforce your rules. "I think you're a kook" and "you're half baked dude" does not align with your rules on civility and not calling people stupid. "

    To Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:11 PM:

    " ...and I think you're a kook, you've got a lot of nerve, bronze eyes indeed, well you're half baked dude. I think you're the one that will be very surprised once you start pushing up daisies. But, be that as it may, you need to stop pushing YOUR beliefs on people or acting like you've got the tiger by the tail. Well, let me be the first to tell ya, there's teeth on the other end of that tail. selah "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:01 AM:

    " I can see that most people still view the world through Bronze Age eyes. I have grown tired of reading the same ignorant statements over and over again.

    Hopefully one day man will realize that we are just another species of primates here on this planet. Once we free ourselves from these primative thoughts, I believe that our country will trully be free. "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:02 AM:

    " Of course no one believes in God for logical reasons. They do so out of emotional ones. I may debate philosophical concepts on an internet forum, but believe me I really could care less what you believe. This is just verbal sparring. I don't think any of you believers are bad or stupid people. Many of you just have high levels of emotion; I do not.

    Maybe it's OK to believe in things that can't be proven. You just need to remember that you're walking on thin ice when asking for money. "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 19, 2009 7:53 AM:

    " If any all powerful, all knowing, and all good being exists, evil cannot. He would have all knowledge of evil occurring, all power to prevent it, and all desire to prevent it. The existence of evil in any form violates one of those attributes. If an all powerful being is in control of our world, suffering children are proof that this being lacks omnipotence, omniscience or omni-benevolence.

    The very idea of God is simply incompatible with the fact that some babies are born only to live their short lives in agonizing pain. "

    spanishlake wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:50 PM:

    " I have no proof that God exists, but I sure do see the devil on a regular basis. The devil is all over.
    God would be useless, if we had scientific proof that he existed. IF we had proof, then everyone would believe, and then everyone would be rewarded. And then everyone would go to heaven, and then we'd have no use for churches and the bible, because it would all be automatic. Instead God gave you all the power to decide if he exists. "

    spanishlake wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:43 PM:

    " Does time exist? There is no one who can prove time actually exists. What is yesterday? What is tomorrow? None of you can prove that either of those exist. Today is the only thing that exists. Now is the only thing that exists. There is no such thing as time. We have no evidence that time ever existed. Time exists, because we believe it does. God exists for the same reason. The entire world believes in time, without any proof that there is such a thing. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 18, 2009 2:56 PM:

    " Question to all atheists , Since GOD does not exist , why are there law suits by alleged atheists to remove all reference to GOD in public areas ? Seems like a fruitless battle . "

    Chris wrote on Nov 18, 2009 2:10 PM:

    " --sorry I need one more post. I am longwinded. I looked up and straight up before my face my God put a double rainbow in the sky for me. My God who is Jesus got that personal with me. I called my job as I began taking pictures (yes I do have pictures) and told someone there what God had just done for me and what I was then looking at. I said "God saw and heard the discussion, saw me ride home, let me read a bit and then here daughter, for you. Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

    Chris wrote on Nov 18, 2009 1:49 PM:

    " I just skimmed some of the comments looking for mine. One wrote I want to see Him, feel Him and something else-I don't remember. The Bible says "No man hatth seen God at anytime." God has presented Himself in many theophanies throughout the Bible. Why one time He came to me in a vision. I saw a face but part of it was blurred-that is consistent with His word. NO man hath seen God at anytime. That vision deeply comforted me in my time of distress. He will do anything for us. "

    Pelor wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:46 AM:

    " You claim that even the sun and moon and stars can be gods. You should try a little experiment. Stop praying to your God and instead, pray to the sun for a few months. You will find the sun answers prayers with the same frequency and reliability God does. When the sun doesn't answer, tell yourself the same excuses you make up when God doesn't answer, like
    it's part of a divine plan".

    Sounds silly, doesn't it? It is. "

    No Such Thing as an Atheist wrote on Nov 17, 2009 6:16 PM:

    " There is no such thing as an atheist. A person will believe in something because we are meant to worship something whether we want to or not. Whatever a person worships is his/her god. It could be a secret god, i.e., secret sins that no one speaks of but a person is control by it; that's a god. It could be the sun, moon, stars, job, clothes, fame, fortune. All of these can be a god. "

    BELIEVER wrote on Nov 17, 2009 1:11 PM:

    " If you don't believe in GOD, you must not believe in Jesus Christ. You must not believe that Christ died on the Cross for our sins. Its a shame you feel that way because when your time comes to leave this world it will be too late to save yourself. You need spritul life and without Christ you will die. You gave up on GOD like so many others in this world. Maby you feel that GOD hasn't been there for you but, ask yourself, have you been there for GOD. "

    chris wrote on Nov 16, 2009 12:02 PM:

    " Jesus is not inaccessible. His Word says "Where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst." It's true because me and many others have felt His Spirit. He made Himself known to me and us. He will also make Himself known to you if You ask Him and obey Him. "

    Believer wrote on Nov 15, 2009 10:41 AM:

    " To "blasphemous," I don't use words like "naughty." Your post implied that it was God's fault that those kids go hungry. How about parents knowing what to do to produce the kids but not what to do to produce a meal when the kid gets here? You can't blame God or anyone else for ALL of the misfortunes in life. People have to man-up & take responsibilities for themselves and quit playing the blame game. Have you shipped those condoms yet? "

    blasphemous wrote on Nov 14, 2009 7:27 PM:

    " Theresa, are you implying that since I am an atheist I can't be capable of helping those in need? When I help people, it does not come with a religious agenda. I do it because it is the human thing to do.
    Believer, many of these parents are in no better shape than their children. At least I would offer them a condom. I can't blame god, because he doesn't exist. You were the one who said if he doesn't answer your prayers then you must have been naughty. I think Santa does the same thing. "

    Goody wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:18 PM:

    " God does exist - not because I read it in the bible, or some preacher told me about him - its because I heard Glen Beck mention god once on his show. And Glen Beck does not lie!
    Take that liberuls!!! "

    Believer wrote on Nov 13, 2009 10:42 AM:

    " To "Blasphemous," and if we were to go with your version of there being NO God, shouldn't the responsibility of feeding those kids go to the parents? You want to blame God for hunger but you don't believe in Him? That's a perfect dilemma! "

    theresa wrote on Nov 13, 2009 8:01 AM:

    " to blasphemous, have you lifted a finger to help the needy. God is calling us all to do our part to help each other! these things happen to wake us up to make us thankful for what we have ! so wake up reach out your hand to some one in need. if we all did this a lot of these problems would go away! you have the power, use it! May God BlessYou! "

    blasphemous wrote on Nov 12, 2009 6:25 PM:

    " Believer what you are saying is just plain crazy and evil. You are saying that all those kids that are gonna die today from starvation and disease in impoverished countires across the world, just aren't praying correctly.
    The prayer for just one meal is selfish and vain if god doesnt answer?
    That if they die today, food or medicine just wasnt in god's will?
    Wouldnt a father give his child simple clothing and shelter if they needed it? What kind of evil omnipotent monster wouldnt answer a helpless praying child? Now, I see something wrong with that picture. "

    Believer wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM:

    " If your prayers aren't answered, ask yourself why? Is it selfish or vain? God is our heavenly Father. Would a father give his child a snake or a gun if he asked for it? Maybe God's will wasn't in line with your will at the time. How can people get mad with God if they don't even believe He exists. Hmmm....something wrong with that picture! "

    theresa wrote on Nov 12, 2009 2:03 PM:

    " to prayer no thinks God answers in His time not ours! sometimes the answer is NO. "

    theresa wrote on Nov 12, 2009 1:53 PM:

    " God is love! prove love, you can not touch it,or see it but prove you do not feel it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is here and so is GOD!!!! "

    Believer wrote on Nov 12, 2009 1:27 PM:

    " To "Church Goer"? What a warped view of life. It is human nature for us to desire life over death. Who wants to die or to see a loved one die? No matter what, grief is a human emotion whether you're a believer or not. It must be very miserable to just act like someone never existed or to think they are just "gone" without no rhyme or reason. When a woman is in her 3rd trimester she feels a "quickening" (like a flutter). Likewise, at death the bible says we are "quickened" back to our spirit body. "

    Faith to Church Goer wrote on Nov 12, 2009 10:01 AM:

    " It may be a game to you but it’s no game to me, and it’s no game to the deceiver. As for the CPR etc… God expects more of us than faith, faith without works is dead. So while doing CPR we’re praying. Now for the funeral comment. It’s not for the one we loss that we weep but for ourselves because until we get to see them again they will be greatly missed. I have no delusion about death, as a Christian to be separate from the body is to be present with God. "

    love wrote on Nov 12, 2009 7:38 AM:

    " well said church goer. "

    Church Goer wrote on Nov 11, 2009 5:12 PM:

    " People don't really believe in God. It's a game we play so we don't have to deal with reality.

    If people really believed in God, we wouldn't attempt CPR or call 911 when someone has a heart attack. Falling on our knees and praying would surely be a better alternative, but we all know very well that prayer doesn't work.

    If people really believed, funerals would be joyous. We all know that we don't know what happens at death, and no amount of self delusion can mask it when death takes a loved one. "

    Believer wrote on Nov 11, 2009 1:22 PM:

    " To "David," we are SPIRITUAL beings inasmuch as we are FLESH beings. It is our inner spiritual being that moves us to seek the origins of life. God put that in each of us. That is why young children asks so many questions. It is there nature to search. It's not until they get older that they conclude that they are atheist or theist. Nature itself dictates that there is a Creator or a more intelligent being than man. When we die, our flesh is buried but the spirit returns to God to await judgement. We have "two" bodies. "

    To All you have to do... wrote on Nov 11, 2009 11:44 AM:

    " You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. It's YOUR choice. God gave us that freedom but you chose not to believe. Just remember, for all the decisions we make there are consequences. You sound like a good person, but a good person that's been hurt or disappointed. There are many good people making the same choice you're making. Is it a mistake? Well, I think so, but it's your choice and your consequence. God believes in you, prays for you and loves you more than anyone here can. "

    Catholic wrote on Nov 10, 2009 6:28 PM:

    " Prove to me that there isnt a God then we will talk "

    David wrote on Nov 10, 2009 5:22 PM:

    " Is it animal instinct which drives a person to seek a higher power ?
    Seems as though all people strive to answer an inner urge that leads to a supreme being . Some find GOD others continue searching putting trust in material things . Some have concluded there is no higher power but yet we all have searched . "

    slick539 wrote on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 AM:

    " Athesist wrote-Most Americans believe in the rapture, including our previous President.
    Do you know the difference between God & GW Bush?

    God didn't think he was george Ww bush. "

    LOVE wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:35 AM:

    " nice contribution david. "

    mama knows wrote on Nov 9, 2009 7:26 AM:

    " Prove that God does'nt exist, It's called Faith. Sometimes' people have to have something to believe in, for example, someone you love very dearly dies', you believe they went to heaven to be with God & one day you will be reunited with them in peace, in the Lords' loving arms'. it's all about faith. I have faith also. I think theres' a better place you go to when you die to be with loved ones' again,I don't like thinking when you die, thats' it ____nothing, just darkness . "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 8, 2009 6:21 PM:

    " Does LOVE exist ? If yes , prove it . "

    love wrote on Nov 8, 2009 11:21 AM:

    " Can you people read or do you just enjoy sounding ignorant? I never said I don't believe god exists. I don't have a problem with anyone believing god exists. I have a problem with christians, or people who claim to be christians who believe that they need to coerce followers through fear. I was baptized catholic, received my first communion, confirmed, and I was even married in the catholic church. I sincerely spoke to god. Unlike most of you christians I rarely asked god for personal gains. Nothing came to fruition though. "

    ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE AND SAY A PRAYER DONT THINK SO wrote on Nov 8, 2009 11:00 AM:

    " GOD? PRAYER? BELIEVE?
    what you believe or don't is your business. live life the way you believe. raise your children the way you were raised. they will decide when they are mature.
    me, i have seen people, including myself, pray, only to see that it does not work.
    you would think that of all the praying and church going would make this a much better place to live. but, its don't. infact, its much worse.
    i have seen people pray all their lives and no one has answered them.
    say a prayer? no thanks... "

    L.T. wrote on Nov 8, 2009 9:48 AM:

    " Better yet, prove he doesn't exist! enough said. "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 AM:

    " "Atheists seem to be obsessed with God."

    I'll concede that. I find the concept fascinating. My obsession with God is what drew me to the conclusion that the concept is incredibly improbable. That doesn't mean it's not interesting and indeed important, considering most people are believers.

    Most Americans believe in the rapture, including our previous President. Should one of our cities be nuked, they'd find a silver lining. That mentality is worth understanding. "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 AM:

    " "Come on, this is basic philosophy, formally called realism. Look it up."

    The observable facts of the real world simply do not conform to universals. Systems lack actual properties until they are measured. Counterintuitive, but true nonetheless - and supported by mountains of evidence.

    Regardless, this purely abstract notion of divinity is a strawman. The God of Abraham, according to the overwhelming majority of believers, is a concrete being who can be swayed by petition, and suspends the laws of nature to benefit his people. "

    blasphemous wrote on Nov 8, 2009 7:57 AM:

    " Thomas, no one is trying to scam you, and I would never think of you as an evil person. Why are you dodging my simple question and giving answers as if you were an average politician. I ask again, which god(s) are we to follow? How do we know this to be true?

    Its a very straight forward question that doesnt need some kind of philosophical rant. "

    redneck-1 wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:17 PM:

    " Atheists seem to be obsessed with God. They can't seem to stop talking about Him. Even in their ridicule and bitterness they seem to be reassuring one another that their mantra has been validated and God thusly shooed away. Even a science post about a new discovery prompts replies about Creationists or Genesis; why Jesus didn't mention it or how the believers will react. An atheist forum doesn't seem complete without special sections for General Religion, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Other Religions. Atheists are obsessed with God. "

    Hector P wrote on Nov 7, 2009 7:54 PM:

    " First of all i want to apologize on behalf of all these 'christians' that have given you such rude responses. They, as well as you, fail to realize that God must be EXPERIENCED individually. I mean NO offense to anyone because I USED to feel just like you about the whole God thing. When you truly experience Christ you realize that you dont have to defend Him. If you REALLY want to know if He's real, ask Him in sincerity to show you. He will! Good luck on your Journey! "

    To Love wrote on Nov 7, 2009 6:40 PM:

    " Hunny child yous gotta believe it exists first to call it a fake. Git off your imaginary emotional problems, for your imagination is havin hallucinations…There is one true God and He Himself will deal with your belief, and I will pray that He makes Himself real to you, because He’s the only one that can. We can see it in other people and the beauty around us but if we don’t know what we’re lookin at, it’s easy to say it doesn’t exist. "

    To Love wrote on Nov 7, 2009 6:24 PM:

    " That’s right, use the same calligraphy as the other writer...Don’t try to use your own imagination to trump them up. It doesn’t matter anyway...You’ll continue believing that God doesn’t exist because no one will tell you what to do...Why would you want to believe in someone greater than yourself...You’re the god of your own dominion and that’s how you want it...You can come up with an argument for anything they say because you can’t prove something exists when there’s no scientific matter to it...Well my friend, you may be looking in the wrong places... "

    Its in my heart. wrote on Nov 7, 2009 3:01 PM:

    " People can say they don't believe in GOD all they want, but when things go bad they sure do call on him. That's why I don't believe in Atheist. I call them hypocrites! If we have a national disaster, who do we call on? I am not a religious person, but I do believe in GOD. I have tried to give my life and live right, but every time I do I stray away. I just think about the hypocrisy and I change my mind. Maybe it an excuse, maybe I'm not ready. BUT I KNOW WHAT I BELIEVE! "

    love wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:17 PM:

    " to "to love"

    I think you need to take a basic college humanities class honey child. Unless you can't get out of that pit your parents threw you into where you learned your "real history". You can send this to your friends Santa Claus and the easter bunny and tell them I think they are fake too. "

    love wrote on Nov 7, 2009 2:10 PM:

    " I believe you fell into a pit. Explain to me what was fabricated in what I wrote. Oh I know, all of it, because these "stories" are all MYTHS. Any one would realize this on their own if they wouldn't lie to themselves. Every pro religion person writing here claims to be right but no one can come close to proving themselves. You have no reason to believe any of this to be true, so why do you? Better yet why do Christians try to force their religion on others through fear mongering? "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 7, 2009 12:07 PM:

    " ONCEABELIEVER wrote, “I could write 10 pages of reasons I do not believe any more from creation to evolution, to multiple contradictions in the bible, and I do know the bible.”

    Welcome to the debate. I would gently suggest, though, that the existence of God does not depend upon creation, evolution, or the Bible. All serious proofs for God are based upon pure philosophical foundations without any religious foundations. The subject is generally called “Natural Theology.”

    Most ex-fundamentalist atheists make this big error, since they were never trained correctly in the first place. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:58 AM:

    " Blasphemous wrote, “Dear Thomas we understand your broken record approach and we all acknowledge that your superior intellect in philosophy has without a doubt diminished our materialistic views.”

    What this proves is that the topical question, “What evidence do you have for the existence of God?” is incoherent if you are asking for material evidence for a non-material being. This should be clear by now. So, the question is a scam. And, science is not a valid tool to investigate the question of such a non-material being. Your entire foundation has vanished. QED "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:43 AM:

    " Atheist Said, “I don't know how to make this any more clear. They exist in your mind as abstracts.”

    This does not work. Think about a circle. The organization of neurons and synapses is not materially connected to any circle or any idea. No material connection. Abstractions exist apart from materials. Come on, this is basic philosophy, formally called realism. Look it up. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 7, 2009 11:39 AM:

    " The Great Atheist Dilemma. You may claim atheism, but if you do, you must deny the reality of universals, i.e., numbers, ideas, etc and sound like an unreasonable and irrational person.

    On the other hand, you can admit the reality of Universals, but if you do, you are open to an entire realm of non-physical existents, and among these non-physical existents is the concept of God. So, in this case, you give up your presumption that believers in God are somehow “irrational,” “uneducated,” “evil,” or “stupid.” "

    Tom wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:40 AM:

    " I don't have to "prove it". I believe it and thats that. "

    True Believer wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:38 AM:

    " Horus' symbols are Pisces (the fish) and the shepherd's crook. He is called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the son of man, the Word, and the bread of life.

    You can try to disprove Horus all you want, but I have faith that he exists and nothing you can say will ever change that. "

    True Believer wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:35 AM:

    " I felt I should continue the story of Horus. As an infant, Herut tried to murder him. At 12, he was taken to the temple. Little is known until the age of 30, where he was baptized in a river by a wilderness prophet. The baptizer was later beheaded. He had 12 disciples, walked on water, healed the sick, raised a man from the dead, and calmed the sea. He was crucified with two thieves, descended into the underworld and rose again after 3 days. "

    True Believer wrote on Nov 7, 2009 9:28 AM:

    " On December 25, the Savior of the world was born to the virgin Mary. He was the only begotten of God. His foster father was Joseph and he was of royal descent. An angel announced this to his mother, and a star heralded his birth in a cave. Shepherds attended his birth and 3 wise men paid their respects later.

    Of course I am referring to Horus, who was worshiped thousands of years before Jesus. Pardon my spelling, though. His mother was Meri, father was Jo-sef. "

    Goodman wrote on Nov 7, 2009 8:47 AM:

    " Only the fool says there is no God. All creation testifies that God exists. I may not be able to answer every theological question, but I know what the Lord has done for me. He comforted me when I was down, He has provided for me and changed me into a new man. Ask God to make Himself real to you and He will.... Of course you also need to repent first. He is a loving Father. "

    To Love wrote on Nov 7, 2009 12:33 AM:

    " Whew, child....did you fall into a pit or what!!!! You have been sold a bill of goods hunny. I believe that they told you all that mess to satisfy their aim in disbelief. You can twist your way around this all you want but the truth WILL prevail. The truth will be known by all but it will be too late for many that bought that same lie you did. You can stay there if you want to but I'd be seeking the real truth, the real history, not some fabricated stuff like that. "

    Faith To ONCEABELIEVER wrote on Nov 7, 2009 12:23 AM:

    " If God is a crutch, then ohhhhh what a crutch. I'll lean on Him any day. And Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see. God can be felt and He can be seen but not to the non-believer. There are exceptions to that rule but not very often. God knows the Beginning from the end, who will choose to act in faith and those that are doubting Thomas’s through and through. Jesus stood face to face with people and still they chose not to believe. "

    Delcambre GIrl wrote on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 AM:

    " I can't speak for anyone else...I believe in GOD with all my heart and soul and noone can tell me any different. "

    Theist wrote on Nov 6, 2009 8:43 AM:

    " To "love," God's ways are higher than our ways. Who else can design a human body and give life to that body? We are way too complex to say we just happened. The bible doesn't talk about Jesus' childhood because it was not necessary. Jesus WAS God in the flesh and God can take on a life form without natural conception as we know it. He is whatever He chooses to be. Jesus "role" was Savior while on earth. He will resume His position as "Almighty" in the end. Jesus was not a Mythical character. "

    Theist wrote on Nov 6, 2009 8:34 AM:

    " To "once a believer," you claim to know the bible. Adam and Eve were not the first people. God created male and female on the 6th day. Read again! Cain took a wife in the land of Nod. Adam and Eve had no daughters so she was one of the women created on the 6th day. God told Noah to take 2 flesh "of every sort" (each race). Noah's son's later divided the families by nations & tongues (nationality & language). Know your pastor. Is he reading & explaining the bible or just preaching & passing the plate? "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 6, 2009 7:37 AM:

    " Pat.....You could not be more wrong if you tried.

    Jesus said to sell everything, leave you FAMIILY. YOUR FRIENDS and follow him. Do not worry about tomorrow, let tomorrow worry about itself.

    Not one person on this forum is a true Christian. If you were you would not own the computer that you are typing on. You would have sold it and followed your God.

    You say that you are touched by the Lord and then drive around town in your new cars and go to church every Sunday and judge eachother based on your clothing. "

    onceabeliever wrote on Nov 6, 2009 4:54 AM:

    " I just have one question to anyone knowing the answer as I tried to answer this question through my years of life. If God expelled Cain after murdering Abel and Adam and Eve are the first people on earth, why did God have to protect Cain from others after he was cast out. Where did these other people come from that God was protecting Cain from? "

    ONCEABELIEVER wrote on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 AM:

    " I find this post quite intererting as I to grew up in a catholic then christian up bringing. Now a adult and somewhat educated person, I find it quite difficult to believe in "God". It's quite hard to swallow that notion, but as I grow older I realize there are things I can see and touch, not just going by on "faith". I could write 10 pages of reasons I do not believe any more from creation to evolution, to multiple contradictions in the bible, and I do know the bible. I believe religion (any) is a crutch con't "

    Pat wrote on Nov 5, 2009 7:28 PM:

    " To AA,
    Are you saving money for retirement?

    If so, why?

    "Tomorrow" and the "future" does not exist according to your belief system. You can't see it, hear it, touch it, taste it, or live it. "

    love wrote on Nov 5, 2009 12:51 PM:

    " Theist
    His mother was a virgin, his father was a king, he was the son of God, there was an attempt to kill him while he was a child, he was raised by foster parents in a country far away, little or no info is known about his childhood, he becomes king, he prescribes law, his body was not buried. These are all examples of characteristics of numerous MYTHICAL heroes. Parts of other religions were used when MAN created christianity so that it would be more easily accepted. "

    Believer wrote on Nov 5, 2009 11:51 AM:

    " Don't believe UFO's exist either? Read the book of Ezekiel. The government has long covered up this information. Don't believe in spirits or demons? How many people have had their own sightings. You people better wake up and read your bibles! There is going to be so many prophetic things happening at break-neck speed to consumate the end of the world. "

    Theist wrote on Nov 5, 2009 9:19 AM:

    " To "love," there were other religions that predated christianity....THAT was the reason Jesus came in the flesh. People were making their own religions and means of salvation. Jesus aka Emmanuel, meaning "God with us" was the Living Word and came to teach people the right way to salvation and righteousness with God. There is one true God/Creator but several religions. Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life! You don't have to belong to a church or religion....just live by the bible according to God's will. "

    Julie wrote on Nov 5, 2009 9:05 AM:

    " There is no other way to get people involved in conversation as to talk about GOD. Most people have their own views on what GOD they believe in. I think we should all leave EVERYONE else GOD out of our lives and just connect with the GOD within ourselves. We can't change the opinion of others. I just know that someone or something created me to take a breath involuntarily and to put my left foot in front of my right foot and walk without even thinking about what I'm doing. Just have faith. "

    Faith to Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 5, 2009 12:27 AM:

    " It seems to me that you're doing exactly what you're accusing the Christians of…You choose not to recognize this even when it's laid out before you. You're closed minded to your own way of thinking. Because you can't touch it, it doesn't exist, and/or if you can't see it, it can't be true. There are many things that you can't touch or can't see yet it still exists...Science isn't the end-all answer. You're like many that although you see it, you've_still_decieded not to_believe_it. So I'll say to you what you say to us, stop pushing your beliefs on_others. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:47 PM:

    " AMERICA is great ! People can have different view points and understanding of the same issue , have a civil conversation and still be friends or not . "

    Theist wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 PM:

    " Something tells me that these atheist are ex-Jehovah witnesses. They know everything. They believe that they are God's "channel." When they realize they been fooled into believing that, they turn on God. Atheist have an answer for ALMOST everything and when they don't have an answer they simply say "I don't know" which is a cop-out. The bible says..."behold, I have fortold you ALL things (from beginning to end). Let them explain how apes taught humans how to be humans and how to talk...... "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 PM:

    " "which means all mathematics from arithmetic, algebra, trigonometry and calculus are nothing and do not exist."

    I don't know how to make this any more clear. They exist in your mind as abstracts.

    "That IS your assertion. How can you call this sound reasoning?"

    Because my conclusion, free of logical fallacy, follows my premises, which are backed by evidence. I'm well aware this isn't how religious truth works.

    "Yes, you probably feel that the ground under you is shifting. "

    This is the language of a con artist. Do you write horoscopes? "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 PM:

    " For those who want a true knowledge of GOD must experience that saving grace on a personnal level . No one can prove or disprove HIS existence . Try asking HIM to reveal HIMSELF to you and be a willing vessel . "

    love wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:22 PM:

    " I believe that you can't prove that God exists or doesn't exist. But it was once believed that the world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe. I also believe that the religion you choose is a product of your environment. I think you all need to go back and read the post by Jeremy Perez Proud American Atheist. There are many religions that predate christianity which are almost identical. from the virgin mother, to the consuming of the body and blood.look up mithras "

    youth wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:28 PM:

    " Oh my gosh.....I love this. :D "

    blasphemous wrote on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM:

    " Dear Thomas we understand your broken record approach and we all acknowledge that your superior intellect in philosophy has without a doubt diminished our materialistic views. So I will ask, please sir, describe to us in detail which non-material god(s) should we now worship. And, how do we know this to be true?

    We really need to know which one is correct, as we no longer wish to live our lives unfulfilled or without sound reasoning. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:59 AM:

    " David....If someone sneezes I say bless you. If I sneeze and someone says God bless you to me, I simply say think you. I don't hate Theist at all, I just disagree their theology.

    By Faith.....There you go saying hateful things. You called atheist fools 2 times on your last post.

    Here is what you sound like to me: Either join my religion of peace and love, or die and burn in an eternal fire forever you fool.

    That is something that I do not care to support. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 AM:

    " Atheist said, “You've given neither evidence nor sound reasoning for the assertion, yet you press on.”

    You are the one claiming that there is no such thing as a non-material existent, which means all mathematics from arithmetic, algebra, trigonometry and calculus are nothing and do not exist. That IS your assertion. How can you call this sound reasoning? Your choice is either (a) give up materialism or (b) continue in a materialist realm where one cannot admit the reality of the number two. Yes, you probably feel that the ground under you is shifting. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:35 AM:

    " Atheist, ask yourself why I repeat the word non-material existent? Because they exist and are real AND because materialist atheists can NEVER admit this, but anyone with a basic dose of intelligence will not deny the absolute reality of numbers. My direct question to you: Do you deny the reality of numbers? Do you deny that the number 2 exists? If you do NOT deny that the number 2 exists, how could it possibly exist in your materialist philosophy? Be bold and deny the reality of numbers! "

    melc wrote on Nov 4, 2009 6:33 AM:

    " Proverbs 23:9

    Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will dispise the wisdon of your words. "

    By Faith wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:01 PM:

    " God has given mankind free will to choose what he/she wants to believe. Some will never believe. Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. . . . 1st Corinthians 1:18 states that, . . . the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Romans Chapter 1 sums up the ungodly state of man. By the preaching of the gospel and faith, I believe God exist and that Jesus Christ is His Son. My choice. " "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:40 PM:

    " Believers already know what it's like to be atheists. I can't find a single Christian who believes in Thor or Zeus or Horus.

    The only arguments presented so far, if taken seriously, would have you believe in the existence of gods that have long since been forgotten. You can't see the wind, but it exists so Thor must also exist. Numbers are non material existents, so Apollo must be real. These are bad arguments.

    What can you say about the existence of Jehovah that the Egyptians couldn't say about Horus? "

    GRWG wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:17 PM:

    " Science, anthropology and archaeology all support biblical accounts. Some of God's chosen people in the bible was very knowledgeable in science (1Tim.6:20, Daniel 1:4), Atheist choose to believe in the things that they have studied. It is these same souls that turned their backs on God in the beginning before they were born into the flesh. They cursed Him then & they curse Him now. They rather give credit to a "big bang" theory and say that an asteroid killed the Dinosaurs. These are the ones of the "final generation." There is nothing new under the sun. "

    Atheist wrote on Nov 3, 2009 5:10 PM:

    " Thomas:

    Numbers are not non-material existents. They are made up. Useful - yes, but they only share an isomorphic relationship with reality. You're confusing the map with the territory.

    You keep repeating the "non-material existent" phrase like a mantra, attempting to lodge it into our consciousness by way of rote repetition. You've given neither evidence nor sound reasoning for the assertion, yet you press on. This is a prime illustration of the mindset of religion. Without regard for factual correctness, it arrogantly forces it's premises onto weaker minds. "

    Augustine wrote on Nov 3, 2009 3:47 PM:

    " According to the study of how we "know" something (epistemology), scientific "proof" is only one way in which we can "know" something. We can also know something via reason/llogic. For example, we could reason, "All dogs are mortal. Lassie is a dog. Therefore, Lassie is mortal." The third method is through Divine faith. Leaving out Divine faith, if you must, the existence of God can be "proven" using the reason/logic method. The whole issue, however, reallly stems from Marxism which has infiltrated our educational system and has poisoned many of our students. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:14 PM:

    " Blasphemous wrote: “For the rest of you, even if this premise was logically sound, …”

    I see you are slowly understanding that materialist atheism is not a viable philosophy. Continue studying the Problem of Universals in detail and understand the difference between realism, nominalism and conceptualism. Don’t just read; study this stuff. Then you are ready to move to the next level. The first level is the most difficult, but it is indispensable and necessary. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:05 PM:

    " To AA and others :\
    When a person sneezes do you say GOD bless you ?
    Do you instead stay silent ?
    If by chance you sneeze and someone says GOD bless you ,do respond by saying thank you ?
    Do you instead stay silent ?
    Does anyone care to share the reason we respond to a sneeze with " GOD bless you" ? "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:03 PM:

    " Blasphemous wrote: “My dear Thomas, since you have disproven and discredited the scientific process with your rudimentary understanding of some of the basic principles of reality, ...”

    Not so fast. You are equivocating materialism with the scientific method; a basic logical error. Materialism is false, period, and therefore, atheism too. However, the Scientific Method is used in investigations of material existents, without assuming materials are all that there is. Science uses math, non-material stuff, right? Who is really misunderstanding reality here? Even science assumes non-material existents: mathematics. "

    blasphemous wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:14 AM:

    " My dear Thomas, since you have disproven and discredited the scientific process with your rudimentary understanding of some of the basic principles of reality, i do wish you the best in life.

    For the rest of you, even if this premise was logically sound, this in no way supports the conclusion of an omnipotent creator. So, I ask, which version of all the creation myths are correct? Since they are all immaterial, never to be proven or disproven, they all carry equal claim to be correct. "

    Invisible to a few wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:32 AM:

    " To Acadiana Atheist:
    I still love you even though you don't see me.
    Signed God "

    redneck-1 wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:44 PM:

    " How many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
    Two. One to actually change the bulb, and the other to videotape the job so fundamentalists won’t claim that god did it. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:31 PM:

    " Acadiana Atheist wrote: “Everytime you make a specific existence claim you must be able to back it up with valid evidence.”

    Well, only if there were only material existents. However, there are non-material existents, like the entire set of numbers and such. Thus, your criterion is flawed; the fundamental – and fatal – flaw of materialism. If your atheism is based upon materialism (99.9% of atheism is), it is false. You are out of the game if you do not have a better argument. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:21 PM:

    " Blasphemous, you know that the square root of two exists and is real. I have asserted that science only addresses questions concerning material existents (accessed by measurement or direct observation). Science cannot prove the existence of any number, or any “universal.” You cannot measure a universal, because it is not material. I have proven to you that non-material existents are real and exist. In philosophy, lookup “Problem of Universals.” If you cannot directly attack these assertions, you lose the argument, and materialist atheism is false. Good luck! "

    Soldier For Christ wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:08 PM:

    " The existence of God is not a logical question at all, and is therefore nonsensical. Of course you can’t prove that God doesn’t exist, but there is evidence to suggest that an ETERNAL POWER does exist. NOTHING can only create NOTHING. Before the Universe was created something must have always existed. It's energy, energy is ETERNAL! The fist law of thermodynamics confirms that, energy cannot be created or destroyed. You also cannot claim that this energy always existed in our known universe because science has proven the universe didn't always exist. Therefore-a-separate-eternal-energy-outside-of-our-universe-had-to-have-supplied-or-transfered-it's-energy-into-the-creation-of-our-universe.These-facts-CANNOT-disputed.It-is-my-opinion-that-until-an-alternate-universe-or-an-extraterrestrial-energy-source-has-been-proven-I-CANNOT-ignore-the-existence-of-GOD! You should check the Bible sometime......maybe you-could-learn something! "

    Faith To Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 2, 2009 4:09 PM:

    " It's not up to us, the Christians to "Prove" to you the existence of God. That's His job...We already believe and see proof every day...You want proof, ask Him to prove Himself to you “I double dog dare you”...What???You scared!!!Think He’ll send lightning down on you? I doubt that. Oh, you really don’t ‘want’ to know. You’re just wanting to prove what YOU believe, well, your day is coming sooner than you think and you won't be a believer, you'll be a knower...And when that time comes, I hope you haven't run out of time for making>a>choice. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:21 PM:

    " What is wind ? Is it an action or reaction ? "

    Jonah and the Whale Noah and the Ark wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:42 PM:

    " To Paulette,

    If there is no need to publish any more on this subject, why did you feel the need to comment? "

    Blasphemous wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:12 PM:

    " Thomas, you have refuted nothing. Saying your almighty creator is outside the realm of science is laughable at best. I think invisible flying monkeys with glow sticks created all that we see. Since they are immaterial beings which can never be subjected to the greatest process (scientific method) for gaining knowledge man has ever created, you can not prove otherwise.
    This is what you are saying, sounds dumb right. Anything we can not directly see could be called immaterial and it is the scientific method which brings it ito the realm of the material and understandable. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:10 PM:

    " Mary...that's a great question. But, very hard to answer in 100 words.

    The Andromeda Galaxy is about 2.5 billion lightyears away from our Galaxy "The Milky Way". You can see it with a regular par of binoculars on a clear night.

    It is due to colide with our galaxy in about 5 billion years. That will be the end of time unless the sun burning out happens first.

    People, put down your Bibles and do some scientific research. Bronze age man had no clue how this planet worked, or that there are billions of Galaxies in space. "

    70544Boy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM:

    " To Nate: It's like I said before, the three things that divide us all race, religion, politics, divide the hole world..we are not that smart to believe that man's laws came about through a man...commiting murder for example. The law that we closely or we are suppose to follow closely, are directly from the bible.If the bible, God's word doesn't exist, we do non believers follow the laws of the land that are from the bible...not stealing, murdering, respect for parent, etc....so keep keep believing that God doesn't exist, and let me know how it works out for you "

    Jesus Christ Rocks wrote on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM:

    " If you want proof read the bible and seek God in prayer. That is all the proof you need. I have seen enough miracles in my life time to know that God does exist. Don't let the Devil overtake you. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:54 AM:

    " Nate.....Your right, I can't show you that God didn't make everything. I also can't show you the The Flying Spaghetti Monster, aliens or the big bang made all of this either. The problem is that I'm not the one who is making specific existence claims. You Theist are!!! Everytime you make a specific existence claim you must be able to back it up with valid evidence. You can't just say that your God is A,B and C. Then have no way to prove those claims. You might as well say that pink unicorns made everything. "

    Mary S. wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:46 PM:

    " Has science ever found the beginning or end of time.

    Since God is the Alpha and Omega...and you seem to be so smart..please tell us when time began,,,,and when the end of days while arrive. "

    Bible wrote on Nov 1, 2009 2:39 PM:

    " Quote only fools say there is no god. "

    DAVID wrote on Nov 1, 2009 8:47 AM:

    " Does GOD exist because we believe or do we believe because GOD exists ? "

    Poulette wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:43 AM:

    " You have enough intellect??? to know that this subject is worn out. Pick something more interesting. I am a believer in God, and I respect your belief so let it go. The editor of this paper should know this is enough of this stuff in print. Have a great day! "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 31, 2009 11:12 PM:

    " To AA . The picture of a tornado or a hurricane shows moisture in a whirl yet does not give credence to wind . How would a picture benefit if the person has no sight? How would an explanation benefit those who have no scientific training? Even feeling of the wind does not benefit those who have no feeling. I respect your right not to believe but I question the integrity of your non-belief. Can you capture the wind in a jar and share it with a non-believer of wind? "

    Nate wrote on Oct 31, 2009 4:49 PM:

    " How about proving that he DOESN'T exist. It has been said that the best way to prove something is to try to disprove it first. I think this argument will just continue to go round and round because nothing that a believer says to a non believer can truly prove anything, especially if they do not want to believe in the first place. I believe that it would take Jesus himself to come down and reveal himself to everyone, but even then, I dont know if everyone would believe. "

    GRWG wrote on Oct 31, 2009 1:54 PM:

    " Atheist & evolution go hand in hand. Can they prove that "Ardi" had other family members? No! There was life millions of years ago because EVERYONE was an angelic being just like the angels in Genesis who did not wait to be born into flesh bodies. We all have been "born again" whether you're christian or not. Same inner spirit being, different outer. You won't find "human" bones. That was an ape. Read, (Jer. 18:4-10). God knows those who turned against him. Life in the flesh body is as a vapor compared to our spirit bodies. Repent! "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 31, 2009 1:21 PM:

    " David.. What? There is no doubt that people have faith in a God and I respect there right to believe. This is a free country and you are free to believe just as I am free not to believe.

    Also, if a person has never been outside to feel the wind, I would either show them a picture of a tornado or video footage of a hurricane. Then I would explain to them how this happens scientifically. Your arguments don't really make alot of sence.

    Everyone have a safe and happy halloween. Be back on Monday. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 31, 2009 1:11 PM:

    " Another note to untrained materialists: Ideas as neurons does not work. Consider Idea(circle) corresponds in your head to neuron_arrangement(222). What MATERIALLY connects Idea(circle) to neuron_arrangement(222)? Answer: Nothing. The neuron arrangement corresponding to Idea(circle) is definitely NOT a circle. Thus, no material connection, and thus, the idea “circle” is a NON-MATERIAL existent, just like the square root of two. Yes, there ARE non-material existents. They are real, and they are not just in your head. So, materialism is still false. Next argument? "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 31, 2009 1:01 PM:

    " Blasphemous wrote: “As you said to me, this is an error among common christain apologetics.”

    If you know anything about science, you know that all science is based upon measurement or observation of a PHYSICAL existent. This is NOT debatable. If you ask for scientific evidence about God, you are in error; I have refuted your assertion, since science cannot say anything about ANY non-physical existent such as God or the square root of two. You need a better argument or my refutation stands solid. "

    Pat wrote on Oct 31, 2009 12:53 PM:

    " AA, You wrote:

    "We get our freedoms from the constitution. We get our freedoms from soldiers like me who go into battle and make bad people go away!"

    You seem to be indicating that "freedom" is something man-made. If so, doesn't it mean that a "right" to be free does not exist at all because a stronger man than you can take it away from you?

    If "freedom" is God-given, no man has the right to take it from you. This "right" exist beyond the reach of another man's intentions to deny it. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 31, 2009 12:53 PM:

    " Atheist Wrote: “The physical manifestation of the square root of two is the particular configuartion of neurochemical transactions taking place in your brain when you think about it.” Sorry, wrong again, since this is materialism. Why is it wrong? The square root of two would still exist even if humans vanished from the universe and there were no neurons to think of it. No arrangement of neurons is the square root of two. Now, think hard why that is the case. Hint: Look up the concept of intentionality in the philosophy of mind. "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:28 AM:

    " To A. A. Prove to someone who has never been outside that wind exists . "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 31, 2009 9:26 AM:

    " Does faith exist ? Prove it ! "

    Blasphemous wrote on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 AM:

    " Thomas, you are sadly mistaken. Your statement tells me that your faith springs partially from scientific ignorance. Also, your viewpoint with this square root of two arguement is just plain silly. I can only assume your understanding of mathematics is on par with that of science. As you said to me, this is an error among common christain apologetics. "

    His Grace is Sufficient wrote on Oct 30, 2009 11:16 PM:

    " I do not BELIEVE God exists.
    I KNOW God exists.

    In the same way that you measure the existence of the wind, I KNOW God exists in my life. I have felt His presence. I have experienced His grace and love. I have SEEN His hand move.

    I have found that God rarely reveals Himself to those who deny Him. "

    Atheist wrote on Oct 30, 2009 5:51 PM:

    " We can detect the wind because we can see physical evidence of it's existence. We also know how the wind works, so we can use it to harness it's power. We've made sails and used them to propel boats that we used to explore the world. We make turbines that generate electricity.

    So far, the only method we have to harness divine power is to make requests in our mind and hope really hard that someone is listening. "

    Atheist wrote on Oct 30, 2009 5:41 PM:

    " Thomas Aquinas,

    "You must first understand that materialism is an incorrect and disproved philosophy"

    No it is not, and you have given no proof of this assertion. "This book I read one time that you don't understand" excuse doesn't cut it.

    " Therefore, you must admit that there are non-material existents that are REAL, and EXIST."

    Math exists in the same way God does - in your head. The physical manifestation of the square root of two is the particular configuartion of neurochemical transactions taking place in your brain when you think about it. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 30, 2009 2:09 PM:

    " WOW...So much to say in under 100 words!

    David...Horrible argument! We can feel the wind. We can measure it's force"MPH". We can use it's energy"wind mills" and it can knock you down"Tornado"....Horrible argument!!!!

    Pat...We get our freedoms from the constitution. We get our freedoms from soldiers like me who go into battle and make bad people go away! Where are you trying to go with this? If you want to talk politics, start your own thread!

    Believer....There you go again talking about Jesus. Biblical scholars overwhelmingly agree that the 4 gospels are a 2,000 year old infomercial. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 30, 2009 12:25 PM:

    " Blasphemous, sorry, you cannot use the scientific method for investigations about the existence of God. The scientific method requires that one can measure or observe a physical existent. God is, by almost all definitions, a non-physical existent. This is another purely materialist error, although it is very common among pop atheism. It also follows that the scientific method cannot investigate the existence of the square root of two. "

    Chad Viator wrote on Oct 30, 2009 11:45 AM:

    " Athiest,

    God exist simply because I believe he exist. I was blessed with a faith that I have come to believe in. Just as you have a "belief". Should I turn the question around and ask you why does God not exist. The bottom line is I believe he does, you, by your opinions here, believe he doesn't. That doesn't make either of us right or wrong. I choose to believe he exist, and that's all that matters to me. "

    I wonder wrote on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 AM:

    " If any of ya'll peope exist???? "

    GRWG wrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 AM:

    " 2 Thess.- Satan will be revealed before the second coming of Jesus Christ. The one-world government is happening now is setting up the platform in this world that is mostly non-christian in the end. These atheists will be in for a rude awakening. God has an army. You can't see them yet, but it's HUGE and it's coming! "

    Believer wrote on Oct 30, 2009 8:26 AM:

    " Phillip. 2:6-8, Jesus came in the flesh to prove that God existed. He WAS God. If you deny Jesus existed you are an anti-christ. God dwells in the hearts of those who love Him. Would you dwell any place you were not wanted? Could you walk up to anybody and MAKE them love you? We are made in His image with the same emotions. It's called free-will and you cannot make someone love you. "

    Pat wrote on Oct 30, 2009 7:27 AM:

    " to Acadiana Athiest

    Where does this "Freedom" of yours come from. You have avoided answering this question. Are you unable to do so? How then can you claim something exist without defining it or even being able to explain how it exist? This board is still waiting. "

    Blasphemous wrote on Oct 30, 2009 6:22 AM:

    " The logic some of you people are using to justify your proof is simply fascinating. Complexity does not imply design it simply iimplies complexity. Complexity is also a matter of reference given the amount of imformation one has. What was once higly complex to cave man is now simplistic for us to understand.
    You see, we use whats called the scientific method, some of you may want to read that over again. "

    70544 Boy wrote on Oct 29, 2009 11:56 PM:

    " Okay, we believe that wind exist, right...do we see it? No, but everyone agrees it there. Why, because we feel it, we see its force, its energy, what it causes. Do we ever debate it, No...but there are those who'll debate, argue forever about God's existence because they don't, can't, won't see him...does that make him nonexistent "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:33 PM:

    " Does the wind exist ? .... Prove it ! "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 29, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " Atheist: You must first understand that materialism is an incorrect and disproved philosophy before you understand that generic atheism is logically incoherent. Again, I ask you, point in material space at the location of the square root of two; it IS a NON-MATERIAL existent, so you cannot. Therefore, you must admit that there are non-material existents that are REAL, and EXIST. Once you understand the irrationality of materialism, you are on your way to understanding the incorrectness of generic atheism. That is the first lesson for you to understand. "

    To Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:22 PM:

    " I know that you think you are too intelligent to believe in God, but when you refer to Him as "skyman" you don't sound very intelligent. Just an observation I've made. "

    Phyllis Romero wrote on Oct 29, 2009 3:25 PM:

    " We have proof that God exists. Scientifically, one can look at all of the elements of life, the universe, the human brain, and much more and see that a perfect Master and Architect has ordained it all. Everything He has made works in perfection. When man gets ahold of it, things begin to crumble. In order to find God, one must seek Him wholeheartedly, and be ready to say, "I need someone bigger and smarter than me to do things right." It's all about faith and obedience and admitting that we are but mere men. "

    ME wrote on Oct 29, 2009 3:25 PM:

    " To Atheist..... Me thinks thou dost protest too much! Keep drinking the Koolaid but most of all quit trying to justify your lack of belief! You don't owe anyone an explanation and we don't want to hear it! We know Him and He knows us! MAY GOD BLESS! "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 29, 2009 2:58 PM:

    " To Pubius...I would like to pause for a moment and thank you for participating in this discussion. You are staying on topic and are giving some excellent points. However, 3 people below your last post...Believer...Is talking about the mark of the beast?? Believer, we are discussing the existence of a divine and all knowing supernatural entity. Please Sir or Madame, put down you Bible and simply try to show me evidence that your God exists. Pubuis, I do not believe that just because we are here is evidence of a God. Also,are you into Federalism? "

    publius wrote on Oct 29, 2009 2:15 PM:

    " The square root of two exist for the same reason all physics and mathematics formulations exist, because they are an explanation of God's handywork. They describe the nature of the universe. The pattern of it. They describe the order created by God. To deny God, you would have to believe that this ordered constant physics was the result of a random explosion, a big bang. Order does not result from chaos. These physics apply throughout the vastness of the universe and are constant. They are the fingerprint of God. "

    Atheist wrote on Oct 29, 2009 1:56 PM:

    " Thomas Aquinas: So basically you're saying that you can prove God exists, but we just wouldn't understand it? Riiiiight.

    People are suckers for the ole razzle dazzle I guess.

    I'm not arrogant enough to think I can know what lies outside of the material sphere, but neither am I gullible enough to believe you somehow can. "

    RT wrote on Oct 29, 2009 1:08 PM:

    " It's very easy to find proof of God... you have to look for it yourself though. You can ask all day for someone to just show you... but if you can't find it, you're not looking in the right place.
    I see proof all around me every day.
    Faith is enough. Seeing is enough.
    Evidence of God is individualized. "

    Believer wrote on Oct 29, 2009 11:24 AM:

    " If God didn't exist, why does your money have "In God We Trust?" You love politics and gov't so much. Do you think they put that on there for show?

    Wonder why this predominantly non-christian world is wanting to change the currency to a world currency? That is the mark of the beast! "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 AM:

    " To Atheist....Are you a Pastafarian? I have been one for years...RAmen!

    To Faith...I respect your faith and would give my life to defend your right to paractice that faith.

    This debate is starting to drift from my original intent. Is there a God? We are not discussing your Christian values or if this country was founded by Christians. Please someone start a new thread because I love to talk about politics and American history almost as much as I love Theology.

    Mr. Thomas Aquinas....Please continue, I am interested in this theory. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 29, 2009 8:12 AM:

    " The Flying Spaghetti monster and all such silly images are designed to sidestep the issue, as Bertrand Russell surely knew when he began the Flying Teapot argument in 1952. These are all materialist red herrings. The core issue here is that non-physical existents are REAL and NECESSARY. Take the square root of two, for example. Where in space can anyone point to any physical existent for the square root of two? Go ahead and try it. There is NO such physical existent. Would any sane person deny the reality of this non-physical existent. "

    70544 Boy wrote on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 PM:

    " 2Tim. 3:1-6...tells us of how we as humans would be living in theses last days..I'm not that old, but since I've been paying attention to it all..it's been accurate..explain someone, how something written over four thousand years ago, applies to us today....the two things that divide us all and have been since man's existence, race, religion, politics... "

    I wonder wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:05 PM:

    " about the Atheist are they real??? "

    Atheist wrote on Oct 28, 2009 5:20 PM:

    " I'm not Acadiana Atheist, but another atheist entirely. I just had a great time reading this thread. For those of you involved in it, I'd like to suggest re-reading it, but change all the references of God to Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Hyperdimensional Space Chicken or any other sort of nonsense.

    It's amazing how well these claims and proofs seem to be able to prove all sorts of imaginary things. There is a reason for this folks. Keep thinking. "

    FAITH wrote on Oct 28, 2009 3:22 PM:

    " First let me say that the author of this has problems or wouldn't have written it…That being said, I don't have to pressure anyone into anything (that's the baby Christian way...they found and experienced something so extraordinary that they want everybody to have it too) As a Christian of many years I can tell you that your argument can't beat an experience, experience always wins. All I do is live it every day no matter who is around, no pushing necessary. I Love my God, ELOHIM, YAHWEH YREH...JAHOVA-NISSI...JAHOVA-TSIDQENU...MAON...MACHSEH...MAGEN,,,METSUDA...MIGDAL-OZ...there_is_nothing_anyone_can_say_that_will_sway_me_to_doubt_His_existance. "

    Thomas Aquinas wrote on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 PM:

    " Edward Feser has disproved all current atheism in his book: The Last Superstition. There are no viable atheist arguments since they all rest on materialism, and materialism has been effectively refuted for, oh, 100 years or so. There are, however, viable theist arguments, but you have to be well-read enough to understand why materialism is false before you can proceed to the next level. There are, and has to be, non-physical existents. Start there, try to prove otherwise (you cannot), and I can show you the exact errors you are making. "

    Mr. R wrote on Oct 28, 2009 12:16 PM:

    " Things that evolve come from something already created. For a human to have evolved from something means it had to already first be made or created. A humans complex make up right down to the dna didnt just happen by accedent. You say prove there is a God, I say prove to me, all the way back to what I came from, and where did that very first living thing come from that I evolved from? I dont think you can, I can.... God created man, and I am his decendant. "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:56 AM:

    " TO A A and others . Please check this web page and provide us with your opinion . everystudent.com/features/isthere.html? I did not read the information but did view the page . There was a popup ad which appeared when I opened this web thread and this information was available once I clicked on the link . "

    Pat wrote on Oct 27, 2009 6:08 PM:

    " "Acadiana Atheist" wrote
    " Believer.....I disagree, living in America we are entitled to freedom OF religion and also freedom FROM religion. I'm trying to prove that man made God, God didn't make man."

    This "freedom" you speak of here in America is based upon inalienable rights of which we are endowed by our creator.

    If you cannot provide a source for YOUR freedom (From Man) then obviously you must believe in a freedom from "the creator". That is IF you believe in "freedom".

    Where does your "freedom" come from?
    We're waiting for an answer. "

    Believer wrote on Oct 27, 2009 3:12 PM:

    " Much of the US Constitution is based on biblical laws. Belief is personal and individual. You can have parents that are believers and children that are atheist and vice versa. The majority of this world is non-christian aka antichrists and I imagine that soon enough they will want to do away with the constitution. That's 21st century for ya! When all of these prophecies come to pass you might wanna start reading. "

    ibelieveingod wrote on Oct 27, 2009 2:44 PM:

    " nobody here will go to a real follower of god to find out why....your life is missing much...just examine yourself...you wont admit it but if you want to know if god exist...get on your knees and pray and ask him to help you, follow him and watch the difference....god exist because you are here...its points thought to speak to your non believers because ignorance is your biggest weapon and you use it well.... "

    publius wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:53 PM:

    " God exists because when we move toward him civilization advances. When we move away from him civilization declines.

    We are animals. Yet, we do not live like them. We have the will to overcome our nature and instincts. Why is this? Why are we different? Why has evolution favored only us? Why are we the only animals capable of consistently denying our instincts and nature? Why do we have free will? The growth of our civilization and the growth of humanity are demonstrative of God's existence. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 27, 2009 12:44 PM:

    " Here is something that I have been thinking about. I would like your opinion on this and I know that you people will give it to me. The Jews in the OT would sacrifice a goat by either murdering it, or casting it out into the desert to take away their sins. This is where we get the phase "Scapegoat". I hope that we can all admit that that was a stupid thing to do. But, why do Christians then think that your sins are taken away because Jesus was murdered. It's the same thing.Something died for our sins. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 27, 2009 12:34 PM:

    " Believer.....I disagree, living in America we are entitled to freedom OF religion and also freedom FROM religion. I'm trying to prove that man made God, God didn't make man. Humans have prefrontal lobe that are to small and adrenal glands that are to large. We are the only animal that knows it's going to die. We are afraid of the dark! God and religion was mans way to explain the unknown. Our minds look for patterns!. Man didn't know what caused earthquakes, diseases, floods. So, they thought that they had sinned against God. Please come into the 21st century. "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 27, 2009 12:21 PM:

    " To blasphemous :
    Similar in the context , from same culture which extends from generation to generation . Each culture has their supreme being , Many beliefs are past down from generation to generation , person to person . Any off course teachings would have met opposition if different than the original . You may have customs and traditions that may have been passed to you by your ancestors . Perhaps someone would have noticed a change and voiced an opinion such as ' thats not the way GRAMMA did it . Same with religious belief ! "

    Believer wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:58 AM:

    " Why do atheists feel that they are entitled to their non-beliefs yet they are always willing to start a debate on something they don't believe in? It just proves that they are full of hot air! "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:36 AM:

    " Pat.....#1...NEWSFLASH we are a mammalion primate. If you were to stop shaving your beard and stop cutting your hair for 2 or 3 years you would see yourself for what you are. A big monkey! Now, I don't want this to topic to get side tracked on evolution. So, lets stay focused. #2, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were both Deist. Washington would not take communion and Jefferson re-wrote the New Testamant and took out all of the divinity of Jesus. It's a good read "google it". Benjamin Franklin and Abraham Lincoln were both Atheist. God bless America? "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:22 AM:

    " Army M14..Sir, I am a SFC , that's a Sergeant First Class for all of my civilian fans and foes. I have been in the Army for 16 year and lead the 4th Infantry Division into Iraq in 2003-2004. I was selected above my peers to be the security for both LG Odierno and MG Barbero."Google them". I was awarded the Bronze Star with "V" device, so please don't judge me as you sit over there in you Battalion Staff job. I am a combat soldier and will not be judged by you Sir. Your probably National Guard! "

    Blasphemous wrote on Oct 27, 2009 6:56 AM:

    " David, i dont know where you have received your facts from but your statement about gods being similar is inaccurate. They have varied wildy over recorded history ranging from malicious to virtuous, impotent to almighty, and ethereal to material. Please double check your facts again before making statements.

    Pat, come on, seriously? My immoral ways have nothing to do with god. As an atheist being evil is just fun!

    Welcome to the jungle
    we got fun n games
    we got everything you want
    honey we know the names.... "

    How One Sided We Are wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:37 PM:

    " Why must people constantly assault others on this issue? There is no "proof" that a God exists. There is no "proof" that God does not exist either. The whole point of faith is to accept something WITHOUT proof. But neither side listens much. One will pray for the other, the other will write forums asking to be left alone. Be proud of whatever you wish, but when a vast majority of the world attests to some religion, it's not going to be easy for the atheist. Life is difficult, with or without a God. That's a fact. "

    Army- M14 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:19 PM:

    " Hey Acadiana Athiest yes I am fighting for you stupid comments to be posted here what army and what rank are you you never saw war I bet I am a major ,come to Afghanistan and preach your no God here we will see what happens.lol "

    Pat wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:37 PM:

    " To Acadiana Athiest

    Explain where the right to individual freedom comes from if there is no God. If there is no God, and "freedom" comes from man, there is no such thing. If there is no God, there is only a definition of right and wrong which comes from those in a position of power over you. If they are hungry, they can eat you because without a God, we are just animals like all others on this planet and are subject to the laws of the jungle. Is this really the world you wish to live in? "

    God wrote on Oct 26, 2009 7:11 PM:

    " you got some 'splainin' to do Acadiana athiest "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 26, 2009 5:51 PM:

    " If there is no GOD as you contend , why do all cultures have a GOD figure . Not all speak the same language, live in the same region yet all have basic and high level similarities . Ancient artifacts, ancient places have the same similarities , unless the historians have edited history also . Why demean a person who has chosen to believe in their GOD? What makes your version of life the absolute? Why cannot another persons perspective differ from yours? Why argue the point if there is no GOD? Is there an inner call upon you? "

    New Iberia Christian wrote on Oct 26, 2009 4:46 PM:

    " No matter what your beliefs are, live and let live. I am a Christian, but I do respect others. With that in mind, Acadiana Athiest needs to think the same way and just live and let live. You don't believe in God? Fine, that's your choice. My motto is... "I'd rather live as if God DOES, and when I die, find out that He DIDN'T exist, than to live as though he DIDN'T exist, then die and find out that He DID". I put 110% of my faith in God. "

    Jeremy Perez Proud American Atheist wrote on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM:

    " The truth is that there is not one shred of evidence that a God or Gods exist. Religion was formed in order to control the peon masses. Religion has killed more people on this Earth than anything else. The bible was written by Bronze Age goat herders and is not the word of a God. What if Allah is the right god? What if Zeus is the real god? What if one of the African tribes is right? The truth is no one is right, because 'God' is man made. Nothing more, nothing less! "

    An agnostic guy who cannot stand those who try too hard wrote on Oct 26, 2009 1:56 PM:

    " I understand your quest to be considered one of the intellectuals, above being governed by things illogical. My only suggestion to you is this: While using large words does help to cement your status as one of them, and in that respect you've excelled. You now need to focus on spelling, grammar, and the ability to post-edit your articles. Once you master this you will be well on your way to being accepted into that circle. Instead of proving you can outwit the readers of some small town newspaper; you can go contribute to the Huffington Post where you belong. "

    D.D. wrote on Oct 26, 2009 1:22 PM:

    " You will never get your answer. People will believe what they want to believe, even if there is proof to the contrary right in front of them. That goes for Athiest and Christians alike. Personally I am neither, I am more of an Agnostic that leans more toward Pagan. I can't prove that a diety exists nor can I prove one doesn't. I don't worry what someone else believes as it has no bearing on my life or beliefs. I don't really care to tell you the truth. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 AM:

    " Army M14....Very funny...Just because we don't share the same religious views doesn't make me bipolar...Good try....I am Also an Army man. Where and when did you serve, or are you still a Soldier? "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:01 AM:

    " David.....I care because there is beginning to be a push back from non-believers. We are sick of having religion constantly crammed down our throats. We are tired of being looked down upon by Christians who tell us that they will pray for us as if we are not of right mind or are not living a good life. Well, we are living a good life. We just don't worship a Bronze Age desert Skyman and Skyson. We don't think that The Skyson is going to come back for us and take us to super magic land in the sky. "

    Army- M14 wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:21 PM:

    " Hey Acadiana Athiest there is a cure for your anger it called SEROQUEL talk to your doctor i think you need some. "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 24, 2009 9:47 PM:

    " TO AA. Since your belief contends there is no GOD , why bother arguing the point? "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 24, 2009 9:44 PM:

    " To A A : How do you know the HOLY BOOKS have been changed over the years ? Most of what we know about past generations have been written by perhaps the same people who may have edited the HOLY BOOKS as you claim . Maybe the history books have been edited to enslave the minds as well . What do you say for those who have chosen to believe in GOD without the benefit of reading or being taught ? What do you say for those who choose to believe there is no GOD for the same reason? "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 24, 2009 1:00 PM:

    " Rousseau...I liked your post. I agree that we should have a civil conversation about this very important topic. I believe that the Bible, Koran, Book of Mormon and many other religious books have been edited down by man countless times to determine the correct verbage to enslave people. How better to control people then by telling them that if they are bad here on Earth, they will burn in fire forever. This was the way Bronze Age man kept control of the peasants. This gave the poor some sense of hope of an after life in paradice. "

    Whoa to the Atheist wrote on Oct 24, 2009 7:51 AM:

    " To those who don't believe there is a god I hope you are right. "

    A wrote on Oct 23, 2009 10:25 AM:

    " Truth Seeker.... Your argument that people wouldn't be kind to eachother or do good deeds is a bad one. I open the door for girls and help people in need all of the time. Just because I don't believe in your God doesn't mean that I'm out killing people. I'm not nice to people because I think that it will get me into super magic land. I hope that one day poeple will stop believing in a Skyman and realize that we only exist for a short time and should be kind to eachother while we are here. "

    Bunny2 wrote on Oct 23, 2009 10:10 AM:

    " The Christian belief that there IS a God is equal to the atheist belief that there isn't. Personally, I have no problem with either belief.I also think that feeling compassion and love for people is a HUMAN trait,along with appreciation for nature.Many 'christian' attributes are found in all humans, regardless,and in absence of any religion at all. It doesn't take God in your life to love,or be honest, or be faithful, but it takes tolerance to accept differences in each other.Without it, no belief means anything. "

    DAVID wrote on Oct 23, 2009 10:03 AM:

    " To all those who believe there is no "GOD "or doubt the existence of
    "GOD". I wish you have a doubting Thomas moment . Read NEW TESTAMENT - JOHN chapter 20 versus 19-30. Please read more if you choose . Although Thomas walked and talked with JESUS, upon HIS return after the death and resurrection, Thomas did not truly believe until he experienced JESUS for himself . The FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT are one, experience JESUS and you experience all.
    Dramatized CD's of the BIBLE are available to enhance BIBLICAL enjoyment. "

    Rousseau wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:50 AM:

    " Everyone here is close to the same page. The non-believers can't believe in the existence of god because there is no scientific proof. Deep down the non-believers would like a grain of truth supporting a god because it is comforting to believe in a higher power. The believers are defensive towards AA indicating some of your own doubts. Why else would you need to say anything to an anonymous person on the internet? Since everyone is on the verge, wouldn't it be ideal to drop the venomous language and have a real discussion? "

    I believe wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:02 AM:

    " to AA
    others have never seen your brain but we all believe you have one...well most of us anyway. "

    Believer wrote on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 PM:

    " If you don't understand the beginning, you won't understand the end. God destroyed the earth with the dinosaurs when a third of the souls followed Satan. Read (Jer. 4: 18-24) & (Jer. 18: 4-10) and (2 Pet. chp.3) to see that the world then was destroyed. It was instant. Search the web to see that there was a SUDDEN mass extinction of the dinosaurs. The ones who followed Satan are the final ones living in the flesh today. Soon Satan (antichrist) will be "revealed" playing as God and Jesus will return for the second advent soon after that tribulation. "

    DeWayne wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:53 PM:

    " Mr. Atheist; You do not believe he exist by by the simple fact that your an atheist. Please prove He doesn't. Everyone has a right to his/her beliefs but you don't find people who do believe God exists blogging on the news forums wanting you to prove he doesn't, do you? You remind me of the extremist gay population. You just want to throw your belief in peoples faces. Have you ever stopped a moment and wondered why you're like that? Take a moment of your time and think about it. I'm sure you will find peace ifyoudo. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:19 PM:

    " By its very nature, faith in a God requires no proof, and if someone like Acadiana Athiest does not believe, that's his choice. I wonder about this life being the only thing that is, and that can be a bleak assessment. If there is no God, why would any human want to be better, to act more kindly, to strive to help others, to care for a fellow soul? Those actions involve feelings, so unscientific, so unpredictable. Prove that a husband feels love for his wife. What proof is that other than that they both feel and know it? "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:08 PM:

    " UJ....... I'm in no way mad either. The question of is there a God or higher power is the most important question in the world. Being a believer or a non-believer doesn't make us good people either way. I don't agree with you that there "has" to be a higher power. The problem with the human animal is that our brains frontal lobe is to small and our adrenal glands are to large. Humans by nature have to be able to justify everything even if it means believing the absurd. Like a Skyman that made everything and loves us "

    UJ wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:57 PM:

    " ACADIANA ATHEIST, I am not out to prove to you that God exist. I am not angry either. You are allowed your opinion like any one else. I do believe this though. I assume that you are intelegent enought to believe that there has to be some one or some thing smarter and more intelligent than us. As an example. Some people believe in aliens from Mars. Therefore if they can come here and we can not go there, they(aliens) must be smarter an more intelligent than us. Therefore absence of a God. they are the higher being. "

    EARL wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:38 AM:

    " The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:04 AM:

    " L....I want you to think about this. No where in the OT does it say anything about burning for eternity. God would have your village killed and your children murdered. He would have you swallowed into deep sand, or have 42 children eaten by 2 bears. But, after that he was done with you.

    It's not until the gentle Jesus came alone in the NT is there talk about burning. Jesus wanted to control us so bad that he threated us with either following his religion of peace and love or burn for eternity. Nice guy huh? "

    Acadiana Atheist wrote on Oct 21, 2009 8:33 PM:

    " UJ...What you are referring to is called Pascal's wager "Google it"..

    Truth is....I understnad that you are passionate bout your belief in God, but that in know way provess that he exists. I can't prove to you that fairy's don't exist, I just know it to be true.

    Here is the funny thing. You and I could probably agree that Islam is not the true religion, or that being a Pagon isn't right either. But, when I dare to say that Christians are wrong everyone gets mad at me. But, you do the same thing to other religions. "

    L wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:46 PM:

    " TO acadiana atheist every day you wake up and take another breath you see GOD'S existence.GOD'S grace and mercy is the reason you are still alive.I hope you realize that before it's to late. "

    Curious.. wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:16 PM:

    " For the one's who want to know if god exist seek him for yoursel and you will see. Good Day.... "

    uj wrote on Oct 21, 2009 4:47 PM:

    " Lets see. Can I prove God exist? Well seeing that so many people believe that He does, then the question is, can you prove He does not exist? You my friend are the one in a pickle. Try this. If I am wrong then I will never know. If you are wrong you will know for ever and will have to live with the knowledge that you were wrong. I would rather err on the side of possiblly being right than to have eternity to suffer the consequences of being wrong. "

    Charlie-1 wrote on Oct 21, 2009 3:27 PM:

    " I could kick myself for even having given you the time of day. Thank God, Madelyn Murray O'Hare saw the error of her convictions before she died. Hope I spelled her names correctly. "

    Silly Argument wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:37 PM:

    " Prove that God exists? What a waste of time! Those who believe, and thankfully I do, can gain peace and serenity with that comfort. They can also lead better lives by doing good works and following the examples of their faith. Those who don't believe, won't be convinced by methods other than scientific proof, which is cold and unfeeling. Remember, that epitomy of scientific learning, Albert Einstein said, "There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." "

    Acadiana Athiest wrote on Oct 21, 2009 9:59 AM:

    " Curiousity , the burden of proof doesn't lie with the non-believers. Anytime you say "My God is this ,this and this", you must have verifiable evidence to support your belief. You could say " My God has purple skin". I would then ask you, how do you know. You said it, now prove it to me. It doesn't make me evil or a bad person if I am skeptical of a God that has in no way shown me evidence of his existence.

    Bushmaster223, most athiest wish there was a God. I am glad that there is not. "

    Bushmaster .223 wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:17 PM:

    " To L, God has never healed an amputee, not in mine or anyone else's lifetime in the last 1000 years. Do I believe? Sometimes, but really think about it, ALL wars are fought over who's God is really God. Read your history and you will see for yourself. There probably is no God...BUT it sure feels good to think there might be...Fact is no one really wants to die. God grants eternity. So we think anyway. "

    Believer wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:42 PM:

    " I've heard the banana theory by another atheist. I guess if you can't bedazzle them with brillinance, baffle them with bull....! "

    Acadiana Athiest wrote on Oct 20, 2009 1:06 PM:

    " Simple, your wrong about the banana. This may take me a few posts. The banana wouldn't exist without humans. The fruit of the banana tree is sterile. It depends for it's survival on human cultivation by vegitative cloning. The banana in your fruit bowl is unlike the wild banana from which it's contribed, which is dark green and has uneatable pits. This veriation was bread into the cooking bananas called Plantains through systematic cultivation over many hundreds of years. In 1836 Jean Francois Poujot found that one of the plantain trees on his plantationn was producing yellow fruit rather .... "

    Curiousity wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:16 AM:

    " Atheism is the non belief in a diety.

    So you do not believe and have no proof that God does not exist. I can use your logic and prove to you He does! "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:19 AM:

    " To Acadiana Athiest:
    I once heard a joke about a scientist that thought he was as brilliant as God!
    The scientist had made magnificent accomplishments,he had created life!!!
    The scientist raised his fist towards heaven and challenged God!!! He called out to God and said I am as great as God!!! I can create life from dust!!! God came down and accepted the challenge. The scientist took some dust and started to create life! God said wait, you have to use your own dust!!! I created that dust!!! Quit trying to disprove God's existence!!! Just accept it!!! "

    Simple wrote on Oct 20, 2009 9:51 AM:

    " The banana. Why does a banana exist? Why would natural selection create such a beautiful, tasty, perfect fruit? It's healthy and it comes in it's own wrapper. Can man make a banana from scratch? Is there a guiding hand in all this or was this by "happenstance". The mere fact that we can wonder, think, believe, and dream...why is it that our brain has developed moreso than other animals? Happenstance? Love...why do we love? Who do you love and who loves you? What reason is there in "happenstance" for love? "

    Stop the Judgment wrote on Oct 20, 2009 9:28 AM:

    " Jesus' life and teachings were an example of how we should all live our lives with NON-BIAS LOVE for everything.

    You do not have to believe in the "Christian God" to be a wonderful person, live a good life and be at peace! "

    Acadiana Athiest wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:43 AM:

    " To Outraged'
    You want your God to take responsiblity for the huge number of collapsing stars, imploding gallaxies, destroyed universes and failed solar systems that have left us in this tiny corner on the one planet in this petty solar system that can support life some of the time, on some of its surface. You want a creator who has filled this world with species since life began, 99% of which are exstinct already. This is some design isn't it? "

    Truth Is wrote on Oct 20, 2009 1:08 AM:

    " Only the children of God can prove
    his existance. You'r and athiest because these so called christians say they know this God of the bible, but far from it. If any one ask you about religion ask them 3 things. In there proof 1- I want to see Him. 2- Hear Him. 3- Feel Him... if not he's a liar. And God is not in him. Jesus is his name and all power is given to it. Yours Truely C.O. G. Truth Is. "

    Believer wrote on Oct 20, 2009 1:01 AM:

    " Blasphemous you got me, you're way to smart for me to deal with. "

    God Bless You wrote on Oct 19, 2009 3:22 PM:

    " I sincerely pray that you find peace with God before you leave this world and get your eternal proof. "

    Blasphemous wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 PM:

    " To another believer, thats called Pascal's Wager and its total nonsense. The problem is you can apply that to anything and any religion.

    To believer, children are still being born because humans are still having sex. "

    Believer wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:40 AM:

    " God still has hope for us even though this world is giving him many reasons not to. I know this because children are still being born. When it becomes apparent no more children are being born then we'll all know man's days are limited. "

    wayne wrote on Oct 18, 2009 7:49 PM:

    " Why does anyone who does't believe in GOD spend so much effort in refuting his exsistance. So much time and effort spent on something they truely don't believe exsist must be exhausting to say the least...try knitting, it may be rewarding. "

    L wrote on Oct 18, 2009 4:45 PM:

    " I believe if you have faith,GOD can heal an amputee,but GOD has his reason for all thing's but if you REPENT of your sin's and give your life to CHRIST, and when you leave this world and go to heaven you will have both your leg's.WHAT good will it do you if your not saved and die and go to h-ll with both leg's.I'D rather die and go to heaven with one leg rather than dying and go to h-ll with both leg's, don't you think so?GIVE your life to CHRIST read ROMAN'S 10: VERSE'S 9-10 MAY GOD BLESS YOU "

    Another Believer wrote on Oct 18, 2009 9:38 AM:

    " I'll believe in God in this life, instead of not believing in God and go to my next life and finding out there is GOD, which would be too late because I wouldn't be in HEAVEN. "

    Truth Is wrote on Oct 18, 2009 9:36 AM:

    " Well well: Your an athiest because no one can proved God is real ! Well the word of God is alive. There is a dicscription of the children of God in the bible. And the mistery of God is ONLY given to the children of God. It says only to those who are called by his name.There aren't many of them but they do exist today... They where wrote about in the bible, 2 thousand years ago. No logic just fact. Time is running short on the human race and man is looking for truth. "

    Tom wrote on Oct 18, 2009 8:20 AM:

    " Wow, Acadiana Christian, I’m sure glad it’s only the atheists that are angry.

    Sounds like you’ve done some pretty extensive scientific research. Bet your documentation is really interesting. "

    Mike wrote on Oct 18, 2009 7:18 AM:

    " Why are we subjected to the rantings of atheists about the non existence of GOD. We are not trying to convince them he does exist, it is our faith!

    I would rather die believing he does exist then live my life not believing and when I die find out he does exist! "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 18, 2009 6:53 AM:

    " To Acadiana Christian:
    I will not die ALONE because JESUS will be there with me!!! And He was there with me before I was born!!! Jeremiah Chapter 1 verse 5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you".
    What we decide to believe is indeed our business ALONE!!! "

    old eagle wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:20 PM:

    " ho hum "

    Tom wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:57 PM:

    " I have tried to believe in science. Tried to accept their belief than man came from sea slime. Tried to believe that all existance came from a single explosion from something perhaps the size of a pea (grapefruit, single atom, basketball??). So far, no one has explained where the pea came from or what caused it to explode.

    If your atheist church has the answer, please explain it to me. Otherwise I’ll continue to believe in God.

    Sorry, I don’t know where God came from either. "

    Bushmaster .223 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:29 PM:

    " Why won't God heal amputees? "

    Acadiana Christian wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:35 PM:

    " What is not written is how angry atheists are. How they love: wrongdoing, wickedness, hopelessness, hates others, depression, fear, paranoia, they are impatient, obnoxious, disrespectful, lacks self-control, rage, insomnia, arrogant, know-it-all, envious and blames others for all their problems in life. We come into this life ALONE, we die ALONE, what we choose to believe is our business ALONE. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " I don't understand how anyone can't believe in GOD!!!
    When you look at nature and the beauty and complexity, how magnificent and complex it is how can you not???
    The way our moon causes the tides to move and sea life depends on these tidal movements for their existence.
    Watch a humming bird in flight,see his magnificent plumage!!!
    All these things didn't just begin with a Big Bang,it began with a Big BRAIN!!!!
    The way DNA is programed to replicate our ancestors!!!
    You sound like you are wanting someone to prove GOD'S Existence!
    HAVE FAITH!!!!
    He has to exist!!! "

    Charlie-1 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:34 PM:

    " He, she or it has AC. An athiestic complex. He, she or it is opposed to DC. A diety complex. We don't have to prove anything to he, she or it. We just have to live according to God's will and He will give us the answers we need in addition to the answers we already possess. It's really strange how people with so-called intellect ask such dumb questions. People with faith don't have to prove anything to atheists.It's a waste of God- given energy. "

    A Believer wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:19 PM:

    " It seems that I left I left out one extremely important word in my previous response. That word would be don't. I MEANT to say I am quite happy letting people live their life as long as they DON'T hurt others. Of course I would imagine that anyone with an I.Q. higher than a box of doughuts knew what I meant. "

    Jan B. wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:19 PM:

    " My beliefs come from my faith, not in logic. I would be glad to share my reasons for my faith with anyone who cares to listen, however I will not pester or bully anyone. I do feel sad for anyone who needs only logic,because there are a number of things in life that can't be explained by logic. Love and freindships are seldom logical. We are still fortunate enough in this country that you can base your life on logic and I will continue to have my faith. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 17, 2009 4:15 PM:

    " It's called FAITH!!!!
    It's all in your mind!!! "

    Grandma wrote on Oct 17, 2009 3:33 PM:

    " You do know we've heard all this before don't you? "

    A Believer wrote on Oct 17, 2009 2:49 PM:

    " I am sure you feel better after posting something that you think shows your high intellect. What you fail to understand is, I have no interest whatsoever whether you believe or not. I have about as much use for you as those holy rollers who knock on my door trying to "save me." I am quite happy letting people live their life as long as they hurt others. Why is it so important to you that we believe? Sounds to me like some kind of complex. "

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