Stop Making False Claims Against Obama; Attack with FACTS

By FactChecker
Published/Last Modified on Monday, October 5, 2009 3:06 PM CDT

As someone trained to look for accuracy, I am increasingly alarmed at what people will attribute to President Barack Obama. A pernicious email traveling the internet includes four statements which, taken at face value, are indeed damning. They are, however, perfect examples of how anyone can twist words to attack someone with which they disagree. They are also examples of how people can take one statement or sentence from an entire speech and make the statement appear far different from the context of that speech.

Statement #1: "We're no longer a Christian nation." - President Barack Obama, June 2007

The actual statement: “Whatever we once were, we’re no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers.” When he delivered the speech, he omitted or failed to say the word “just.” No matter what faith people possess, the written statement above is accurate based on the breakdown of religious faiths in the United States.


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Statement #2: "America has been arrogant." - President Barack Obama

The actual statement is from a speech delivered in Strasbourg, France. “Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.” In terms of working with Europeans to bring about common goals, Obama is stating that we have at times looked down on Europeans. Who hasn’t made a comment or reference to Europeans as snobs who look down on the USA? In fact, Obama continued by saying, “In Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what is bad.”

Statement #3: "After 9/11, America didn't always live up to her ideals."- President Barack Obama

The actual statement comes from a speech delivered in Cairo, Egypt: “And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year. So America will defend itself respectful of the sovereignty of nations and the rule of law. And we will do so in partnership with Muslim communities which are also threatened. The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer.” Obama was referring to torture as being the opposite of our ideals. Can any patriot honestly say that torturing people is an American ideal?

"You might say that America is a Muslim nation."- President Barack Obama, Egypt 2009

The actual statement comes from an interview with Laura Haim on Canal Plus, a French television station. “And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world,” Mr. Obama said. “And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.” Numerically speaking, Obama is just plain wrong about that, with some twenty-seven nations having larger Muslim populations.

My point is this: when you disagree with someone, do your homework so that your attacks can be the most effective. When attackers merge words together or take statements out of context, they open themselves to accusations of inaccuracy, and thus diminish the strengths of their argument. Attack Obama on the facts involving health care, attack Obama on the facts of gun ownership, attack him on the facts about tax changes, or troop levels in Afghanistan, or a number of issues. Attack Obama on the inaccuracies of his speech before Congress for there is no way he can pass health care without adding hundreds of millions of dollars to the deficit. Attack him with facts, people. Attacking him on things he did not say or mean makes you look foolish.

 

 

Comments

    A.O. wrote on Oct 25, 2009 4:15 PM:

    " Thank you for clearing this up. What's sad that half the people that are drawing conclusions on what is reported in the slanted news media can't read, so they will not be able to get the breakdown. Come on people, if an opposing party wants you to lean their way, they report half truths. If I say it's raining, don't assume it is raining where either you or I am. Didn't we learn in school to listen, question, listen to explanation, then decide. Look beyond the obvious...Obama can't change who he is. "

    To Brock A. Derouen wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:58 PM:

    " Thank you for your thoughtful post. It wasn't derivative or insulting, just an honest person asking an honest question. If you check the more recent posts, I attempted to list some things, but disagreements will most likely result from the use of the word "right." What I consider right for the country and what someone else considers right will be vastly different. Read it, provided it gets posted, and give your honest opinions. We may disagree in opinion, but I would fight to the death to preserve your right to state what you think. "

    Cajunator wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:17 PM:

    " To grb: As a matter of fact, FOX is one of the only outlets that offers such a diversity of opinions. Just off the top of my head, consider some of their regular analysts/contributors, such as Ellis Heinican, Susan Estrich, Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes, Bernie Sanders, Mark Mellman, Terry McAuliffe, Geraldine Ferraro, Bob Beckel, Lanny Davis, Joe Lieberman, Tammy Bruce, Pat Caddell, Neal Gabler, Jane Hall, Jeff Cohen, Juan WIlliams,etc. And that's not even mentioning guests like Sharpton, Jackson, Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, etc. "

    My Thoughts wrote on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 PM:

    " Come on people. the President is so crooked, when he dies we'll have to screw him in the ground. He only tells you what you want to hear. If his advisers would have told him not to attend the GAY rights event, do you think he would have given them a second thought? NO WAY!! Before his first and only term is over he will change his position or views on these subjects. "

    Brock A. DeRouen wrote on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 AM:

    " Mr. Fact Checker... I agree that some negative things have been said about the president that are untrue and a bit unfair. Each and every president has endured the same. Can you please though to give this president his credits list 5 things he has done to move this country in the right direction. For the life of me I can't seem to find any. I need those facts.... "

    neworleanscajun wrote on Oct 18, 2009 7:36 PM:

    " grb:
    You must not watch FOX as evidenced by your erroneous allegations. To name one, Bill O'Reilly seems to go out of his way to give Obama the benefit of the doubt.

    By the way, were you as concerned when NBC, MSNBC, CBS, and ABC consistently portrayed Bush in a viciously consistent negative light? ...I didn't think so. "

    Cajunator wrote on Oct 18, 2009 5:41 PM:

    " To grb: What about all the other news organizations, which mostly portray Obama in a positive light? If what you say is true, then am I to assume that your opinion is swayed by their views? Am I supposed to believe that Obama can do no wrong simply because that's the way he is portrayed by the majority of the other news outlets? And exactly who are you accusing of "spreading hatred"? Me? If so, I'd like to know how you define hatred, then point it out in my comments, please. "

    grb wrote on Oct 18, 2009 10:59 AM:

    " When there are certian news organizations that only portray the President and his current administration in a negative light, than there will allways be a confused public. If they constantly speak hatred aganist our President how coud the be perceived as "Fair and Balanced?" I read some of the comments and they spew with hatred for our President. Is it because of your opinion or are you swayed by other people views. "

    Beta-Alpha-Motel wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:01 PM:

    " Awaiting orders Sir. ! "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:35 PM:

    " To Cajunator:
    He cannot say anything without his teleprompter!!!It's like someone else is behind the curtains telling him what to do and say!!! Sort of like The Wizard of Oz!!!
    When you get him to comment without his teleprompter, like he did to Joe the plumber is when you get to see his real Agenda!!!
    "I just want to spread the wealth around"
    Or like he said to SEIU members "It is my goal to have a government run single payer insurance system"!!! "

    Cajunator wrote on Oct 17, 2009 1:20 PM:

    " I may have disagreed with Bush, but at least there was some comfort in knowing exactly where he stood. With Obama, I have no idea, since his actions always seem to contradict his words. I gain no confidence when he says, "let me be perfectly clear...", and the very next sentence is a complete contradiction to clarity. He is always beautifully unclear, in the most perfect way. It bothers me when someone can't say the simplest of things, without NOT actually saying it. It sometimes seems HE isn't even confident in what he says. "

    Cajunator wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:54 PM:

    " grb: Working together to find common ground, would require both sides to compromise. Why don't I see the several solutions offered by republicans included in any legislation? Several liberal democrats also oppose recent proposals. The fact is, the things being proposed don't allow one to "support the President" without compromising one's principles. Obama would have to compromise his own principles to agree with himself. It seems he is compromising his principles regarding "his principles". Why not simply allow 72hrs for the public to read bills, when it's exactly what he promised when campaigning? Tell me,what ARE his principles? "

    Citizen wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:59 AM:

    " To GRB:
    What can be more degrading than a White House ignoring and dismissing Hundreds of Thousands of protesters on the White House Lawn and Pelosi calling them Nazis and Astro turf demonstrators?
    Is this how we WORK together?
    How about ramming through bills in congress without reading them?In 2010 we'll see how we can work together! "

    grb wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:37 PM:

    " To Citizen:
    I did not agree with President Bush while he was in office but I supported him because he was the President of the United States of Americia. All Americans sould respect the President of the United States no matter what party he stands behind. I never said to give up your principles, I said that we should work together to find a common ground on the issues dividing America. If we only continue to degrade and argue with each other what good will come out of it? "

    Cajunator wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:40 PM:

    " Uhhh... Code 9? Is everything OK? I hope you don't have any sharp objects nearby. "

    Citizen wrote on Oct 15, 2009 6:18 AM:

    " To grb:
    The differences between conservatives and liberals have always been there!!!
    Obama's policies have elevated the concerns of conservatives.
    No one will give up their principles just to get along!
    Where were you when BUSH was president????
    Sure the discontent is caused by FOX NEWS & CONSERVATIVES!!!!
    GET EDUCATED & GET A LIFE!!! "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 15, 2009 6:04 AM:

    " To Factchecker:
    Google Code9 you will see! "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 14, 2009 9:35 PM:

    " I'm not really sure what to say to any postings from CODE 9 except "What are you talking about?" "

    grb wrote on Oct 14, 2009 9:04 PM:

    " all the negative comments made by Fox News and other conservatives against President Obama is causing a great divide in America. That divide is starting to look like verbal civil war between conservatives and liberals which over time could destroy our great country. We have to find a way to put our differences aside and work together to keep America the greatest country on earth. "

    CODE 9 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:09 PM:

    " For the 1st time since Jimmie C. we have no Chief Commander to lead our military. I urge all inlisted men to withdraw immediately or face death at the hands of this anti-war, no support administratrion. Run for your lives ! Canada will welcome you until things calm down. Then we will reunite for final battle. "

    oooh. wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:04 PM:

    " Get off the stool with the "SOCIALISM"
    crap no such thing. None of the presidents has done anthing for me either I don't rely upon the goverment/president to navigate my life. "

    Yes he did care wrote on Oct 13, 2009 5:49 PM:

    " Bush about the oil industry that's how his dad made his fortune in the oil industry wouldnt you. No, two wrongs doesn't make a right so why are you folks so hard on President Obama. "

    Jan B. wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:20 AM:

    " since The Daily Iberian didn't finish my comment the other day I wiil try again. I know of several people that own oil related industies that have said they are trying to hold on until the 1st of the year before laying off workers. We were lucky during the recessions of the early 80's and 90's, but this president would rather give the money for oil exploration to Brazil. than for jobs for U.S.workers. Since our economy in South Louisiana is based primarily on the oil and oil related industries, we've just started unnecesarily feeling this recession. "

    Cheeka To Master Sparks wrote on Oct 11, 2009 10:01 AM:

    " Your comment is a bit colorful but you're on the money…There are too many that won't acknowledge the truth when they hear it though deep down they know it, and you're right, it's sheer laziness that sparks their passion. They will remain in denial until it hits them in their wallet and even then I'm not sure that they won't blame it on Bush, why? Not because they believe it’s truth(a_lie_they_feed_on), but because it will shift the blame away from themselves AND they can. This sort will NEVER take personal responsibility. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:41 AM:

    " To Hmmm: Jesus accepted sinners and told them to sin no more,just as He accepts sinners today on the condition that they repent and try to sin no more!!!
    Jesus' followers were former sinners!!! So your analogy is ridiculous !!!
    It is your warped way of thinking that needs reevaluating !!! Has Rev. Wright changed his HATE speech??? How about Eric Holder,the butcher of WACO??? How about Bill Ayres,the unrepentant bomber???How about Resco??? Van Jones??? Need any more examples of REPENTANT followers of OUR DEAR LEADER???? "

    Observer wrote on Oct 10, 2009 4:31 PM:

    " Fact: There are at least 14 different personalities whom have shared opinions in this thread alone, that need to get a life. Why is it so rare to find positive comments about anything anymore? Probably because misery loves company. I wish you all happiness. I really do. Sigh. "

    Jan B. wrote on Oct 10, 2009 9:06 AM:

    " to xxx; Your comment that anything he does is better than Bush,thats all you care about ,is very frighting. So many people seem to think as long as it is against Bush its ok.(I agree Bush made lots of mistakes, but as my Dad always said 2 wrongs don't make a right) Bush did take care of the oil industry, which keeps our area going, Obama would rather send billions to Brazil to encourage oil exploration, and keep ours down. I have spoken to several people that own oil related industries here and have been told that after the "

    Master Sparks wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:49 AM:

    " To Imaliberal: Your ears are really clean and kean, for you can hear the piper playing. To tell everyone to pledge to one individual is idiodic. You expect everyone to rollover and play dead. Your hearing is well but your eyesight has tunnel vision. Demanding respect will never ever get someone respect. It's earned . And we know Obama and his following work as little as posible. The one's saying share the wealth want our wealth shared not theirs. Mainly cause they don't have any and are too lazy to get an education and earn it legitamently. "

    By Choice wrote on Oct 9, 2009 9:21 PM:

    " Some choose not to research facts some are only looking for the negative information about the president. Who are we to "JUDGE" "

    Mark wrote on Oct 9, 2009 6:59 PM:

    " WASHINGTON, US - US President Barack Obama said, in an interview published Sunday, that the United States is not winning the war in Afghanistan and hinted at possible talks with moderate elements of the Taliban.

    Wake up people, this is the truth.

    If any of his followers could list some positive accomplishments, I may be will to listen to what he has to say. 10% unemployment is very positive to increase the welfare roles.

    Remember Aldof Hitler, Jim Jones, and David Koresh had followers also. "

    To Outraged wrote on Oct 9, 2009 5:34 PM:

    " Hmmm...that's an interesting way of judging a person, you said, "I was taught since childhood that you are judged by the company you keep!". So, a great example of this would be, for instance, judging Jesus by the company he kept, such as prostitutes, thieves, etc. I'm not sure that your way of thinking is the MOST appropriate measure of evaluating a person. You might want to rethink waht you were taught from childhood. "

    NI Native wrote on Oct 9, 2009 12:51 PM:

    " Thanks Fact Checker. It's upsetting that such a simple request is met with more venom from people intent on hating the POTUS at all costs. People, America is all about citizens have different viewpoints but working together for the common good. The problem is that so many of you spew completely untrue and meritless points in your criticism. It's your right to dislike the POTUS, but when making that argument, root your points in facts, not untruths. Build your arguments with facts, otherwise you are telling lies, just as many of you accuse the POTUS of doing. Thanks again. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 9, 2009 10:06 AM:

    " To Obama Voter:
    Thank you for your information, I did not want to be rude by forgetting to say Thank You! You made a powerful & persuasive argument that Obama voters are indeed FOOLISH!!!! "

    xxx wrote on Oct 9, 2009 6:51 AM:

    " To all you Obama haters:
    To date, what has Obama changed that you all hate him so much?
    One minute you rant that he's changed so much, you've lost so many rights, etc., but not one of you can name them. Then the next you rant that he promised change, but you see no change. Anything he does is better than Bush, that's all I care about. "

    Obama Voter wrote on Oct 8, 2009 6:32 PM:

    " To outraged, just stay outraged. President Obama is doing a great job for all he has to pick up after many others. We who voted for him is non foolish, but you who continue to disrespect the President of the United States is who is foolish. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 8, 2009 12:32 PM:

    " My original quote was: "when you disagree with someone, do your homework so that your attacks can be the most effective." I am encouraging people to look up facts, then post arguments. Most responders have done just that, and I could not be happier. Exercizing First Amendment freedom is never meaningless. I hope most would agree. "

    HEY wrote on Oct 8, 2009 11:00 AM:

    " To The Fact

    It is never meaningless to express your opinion. This post got several people thinking and excercizing their first amendment rights, even you. I'm grateful people are talking to each other, instead of being rude like you. "

    THE FACT wrote on Oct 8, 2009 8:26 AM:

    " Practice wut u PREACH ! [ Fact Checker] Ask questions about the Health Care Reform bill. Ask questions about the Cap and Trade bill. Argue against what Congress and/or Obama are DOING. Spending time passing internet arguments about what somebody may or may not have said is wasteful. "
    [call the kettle Black huh] Stop wasting your time! Since YOU started this Meaninless post. "

    neworleanscajun wrote on Oct 8, 2009 6:43 AM:

    " Factofthematter:
    No one has to SEARCH for negative information. Obama's been in office for 10 months, and things are much worse. He took off to Denmark in an effort to enrich his political cronies, but he doesn't have time to meet with generals or make decisions that would save the lives of our troops.Enemy combatant detainees in Afghanistan are being Mirandized. Stimulus money remains unspent, unemployment is through the roof, the health care debacle rages on, corruption abounds....

    Who are we to ask? We're American citizens and taxpayers? Who are you? George Soros? "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 8, 2009 5:34 AM:

    " To Outraged,
    I agree with you. You can judge a person by the company he or she keeps, but I also believe there are other criteria by which we can judge people, like their actions, for example. I did not, for example, vote for Obama in 2008 because I do not believe it appropriate to turn the leadership of a great country over to someone with so little experience in national affairs. Being a U.S. Senator for barely four years does not qualify you to be president. There was so little national experience to judge. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 8, 2009 5:03 AM:

    " To Fact of the matter:
    Who are we to judge?
    WE are the taxpayers who pay his salary and congress' salary!!! WE get to say what WE want!!! "

    Chris Walker wrote on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM:

    " Unemployment @ 10% any questions "

    Fact of the matter wrote on Oct 7, 2009 8:41 PM:

    " Folks who don't like him search for negative information about the president because they don't like the fact he is the 'PRESIDENT" WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE"... Research your own facts then post your comments +. "

    neworleanscajun wrote on Oct 7, 2009 6:43 PM:

    " Factchecker, your posts are certainly an asset to this forum. I like your attitude. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 7, 2009 6:19 PM:

    " To Fact Checker:
    I was taught since childhood that you are judged by the company you keep!
    Obama's associations through out his life show that he is not worthy of my TRUST!!
    Reverend Wright,Bill Ayres,Van Jones,Resco,ACORN,a lot of his czars and countless people!
    I don't need to wait until he completes his transformation process to see where he is headed!!!! It's SOCIALISM!!!!
    I don't want that for my kids and grandchildren,nor the debt he is heaping on them!!! "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 7, 2009 12:24 PM:

    " To Outraged,

    You're correct. Obama's speech was riddled with inaccuracies about health care. It will unquestionably add to the ever-mounting deficit. Though one version says that no illegal immigrant will receive coverage, there is no enforcement mechanism. Congress should seriously consider tort reform because malpractice suits drive up insurance costs.

    My point, which you consistently miss, is this: I want to judge a man based on his actions, on what he does. I cannot judge a person's soul as good or bad, but I can judge his actions as good or bad. Thank you for your insight. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 7, 2009 11:53 AM:

    " Thank you Threadprotector. I understand your line of reasoning much better.

    As a former journalist and Masters thesis writer, I was taught to verify sources and double check what people said or saw before printing stories. When I originally looked for the four statements attributed to Obama, I could find them in over 100 websites, copied and pasted but never verified. I then went searching for the original statements and the speeches from whence they came.

    It is good to know there are other fact checkers out there. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 7, 2009 11:42 AM:

    " To FactChecker:
    If you want a full time job, why don't you start checking out EVERY word coming out of Obama's mouth!!!
    When a member of congress has the kuhunas to point out that Obamas lying he gets penalized for it!!!
    For that matter check out EVERY member of congress!!! You might need about 600 full time assistants!!!! "

    Poe wrote on Oct 7, 2009 9:24 AM:

    " Perception, google "Poe's Law" and click on the first link.

    The basis of the law is that the more insane an opinion gets, the harder it is to tell if the opinion is legitimate or a parody. There are several posts in this thread that illustrate this perfectly. "

    threadprotector wrote on Oct 7, 2009 8:03 AM:

    " Factchecker,

    How does one question your TRAINING without being offensive? I'm not debating the content of this post, only the qualifications of its author. In the first sentence of this post you indicated that you were TRAINED.

    If you look at yourself as being more advanced as your normal reader in investigating statements, please specific how. The real fact checkers were thrown off by your first sentence which questions your ability to produce fact. "

    Okay wrote on Oct 7, 2009 6:38 AM:

    " Obama has big ears. Fact. When being interviewed, he says "Uhh" a lot...but he gives a mighty fine prepared speech. Fact. He's got less experience than David Vitter or Mary Landrieu to be president. Fact. "

    Imaliberal wrote on Oct 7, 2009 6:14 AM:

    " FactChecker: That was exactly my point! Read the post by Truebible. It was clearly an attempt to portray those who watch FOX News as lunatics. But if some didn't recognize the fraud in MY comment, why would they recognize it in Truebible's? Point is, don't take all comments made by unfamiliar posters at face value. Often times, their comments are meant to serve a different purpose. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 PM:

    " Sometimes I am uncertain whether comments are meant to be serious or sarcastic. Posts from Imaliberal, if sarcastic, are beyond the pale (Fox News run by Osama bin Laden?) If that is a serious statement, then I fully understand why conservatives distrust liberals and vice versa. No wonder people on either side won't converse with each other. I hope the rhetoric gets toned down a notch or two. "

    Obama Haters wrote on Oct 6, 2009 8:24 PM:

    " Calling the president of the U. S. a clown is not a nice to call anyone. If you don't like him for your own personal reason, it would be better if you kept yourself.
    Your're only numbering your days with hatred and bigorty move on. "

    Imaliberal wrote on Oct 6, 2009 3:44 PM:

    " We liberals are smarter than you. That's why you people will never realize that Barrak Obama never lies. It's a fact, that anyone who disagrees with him is a racist. Everyone should pledge their loyalty to him. Those who don't are domestic terrorists sent by Satan to destroy the world. It's also a fact that FOX News is really run by Osama bin Laden, and that the word "conservative" is just a secret code word for "white power". "

    perception wrote on Oct 6, 2009 3:19 PM:

    " To Truebible: That was the most pathetic attempt at pretending to be a "FOX News fan" that I have ever seen. I have long suspected many of the comments posted on this site are actually made by people on the opposite side of an argument, in an attempt to justify their "perception". They make outrageous statements under a different name, so they can portray their opposition as lunatics. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 6, 2009 2:28 PM:

    " To MeMeG
    Thank you! This is precisely what I would like people to do. Ask questions about the Health Care Reform bill. Ask questions about the Cap and Trade bill. Argue against what Congress and/or Obama are DOING. Spending time passing internet arguments about what somebody may or may not have said is wasteful. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 6, 2009 12:38 PM:

    " To Threadprotector

    Fact Checking is quite common. Reporters covering a story are fact checkers, doctors dealing with a patient are fact checkers, cops solving crimes are fact checkers, historians checking the accuracy of books are fact checkers, even parents wanting to know where their kids are at night are fact checkers.

    Unlike you, however, I would never impugn your character with insidious sarcasm. That appears both indecent and rude. I wanted to open a dialogue with people, not invite them to assassinate people's character. People might remember the old days when people could disagree and live together. "

    old eagle wrote on Oct 6, 2009 12:09 PM:

    " To "Betty": It only SEEMS as though BHO has been in office for 20 years because he has done more damage in 10 months as all of the former presidents in over 200 years. Oh, and yada, yada, yada, Bush, 8 years, blah, blah, blah.
    Try to understand: Bush gone. BHO socialist. It's not hard if you open your eyes and mind.
    The problem is not Democrats or Republicans, it's BOTH. We need to clean house. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 6, 2009 11:09 AM:

    " To TrueBible

    There is no person in the US who can tell anyone else what being an American is.

    Fact Checking is not liberal bias. How many of you check facts that come from any news source? They all have a bias; you need to verify things for yourself.

    To say that you know everything you need to know about anyone is the sign of a closed mind. Not only is that disappointing but dangerous. King George III also had a closed mind and he paid dearly for it. "

    Truebible wrote on Oct 6, 2009 9:34 AM:

    " Fact checking is just liberal bias. You need to get your news from Fox and just believe it. Being an American is being a person of faith and God has put Fox news where they are for a reason. Who are you to challenge His anointed?

    It doesn't matter what Obama says or what these supposed facts are. We know everything we need to know about Obama. His coming has long been a matter of prophesy. "

    threadprotector wrote on Oct 6, 2009 9:12 AM:

    " Fact checker;

    Where does one gain the training to look for accuracy? If you are trained in the field of FACT ACCURACY, could you please point where one can obtain a high degree in fact checking, like you have?

    People that are interested in fact were distracted by your first sentence, which was probably the farthest from FACT. "

    MeMeG wrote on Oct 6, 2009 8:43 AM:

    " I agree that a lot of statements Pres. Obama has made have been taken out of context and twisted by those that do not support him. I also realize that many of the things he and congress are doing are definately not god for the people of our country. Pres. Bush is also not at fault for many of the things that happened during his terms in office. Our enitre system of gov't is at fault, from city councilmen on up. Things will not change until the gov't is changed [therefore things will not change]. "

    Exclamations wrote on Oct 6, 2009 7:48 AM:

    " Oh, look. It's Outraged and his exclamation points again... as if his exclamation points will make his statements more important or special. Try making a sound argument with actual facts. It might be a novelty for you. "

    FactChecker wrote on Oct 6, 2009 5:23 AM:

    " To "No Blood for Opium"

    You are entirely correct. Very few things in that list are Bush's fault. It is the equivalent of saying that because something happened during your watch, it is entirely your fault.

    To NewOrleansCajun

    You are correct as well. Perception is unfortunately an important part of the way people handle and filter information. Thank you for pointing that out. "

    neworleanscajun wrote on Oct 5, 2009 10:02 PM:

    " FactChecker:
    Your assiduous analysis has merit in theory, and hopefully you were just as scrupulously fair regarding President Bush's words.
    However, there is another factor to be considered. In real life, the PERCEPTION of what is said is often more important that the actual words. Overall, the perception of Obama's words places the US in a position of weakness in the eyes of the world, particularly in the eyes of the Islamic extremists who want to wipe us out. Is this really appropriate while we are at war? "

    No blood for opium wrote on Oct 5, 2009 8:46 PM:

    " Hey FactChecker, do you remember some of these whoppers? "The economy is Bush fault, 9/11 is Bush fault, Bush lied people died, Katrina is Bush fault, Global Warming is Bush fault etc..." I guess all of these were true? "

    Doesnt matter a bit wrote on Oct 5, 2009 7:28 PM:

    " What ever the particulars, President Obama is presiding over the greatest disaster for the middle class since the great depression, and possibly ever. Pretty soon blaming President Bush will no longer play, and he will own this mess. He may very well mean well, but the combination of his sham health plan (government control over your life plan in reality) and the cap and tax bill will make the third world look like heaven. "

    Betty wrote on Oct 5, 2009 6:31 PM:

    " Thank you for finally bringing the truth to light. If you listen to all the Obama haters you'd swear he's been in office for 20yrs. It's only been 10 months. The damage was done a long time ago; say 8 years ago. Yes. The damage Bush has caused, will have us paying the bill for decades to come. "

    Outraged wrote on Oct 5, 2009 4:53 PM:

    " The only FOOLISH ONES are the ones that voted for this clown!!! "

    Bunny2 wrote on Oct 5, 2009 4:39 PM:

    " Since these facts can be (and could have been all this time) checked by anyone,maybe the Glenn Beckers will close their flapping gums.
    But I doubt it. "

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