Disenchanted! Disappointed! Disgusted!

By Tom
Published/Last Modified on Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:16 AM CDT

I must say that as a citizen of this country I am disenchanted, disappointed and disgusted by the recent debate over healthcare reform and the behavior of the people of this country and this particular community. I thought people in this country were more mature than they really are, however I am not surprised at the response to many over the healthcare issue. How many people can even explain what the whole care reform would mean to them. I'm not talking about what Rush Limbaugh says it will mean, I'm not talking about what David Vitter says it will mean, I'm not talking about what Bill O'reilly, Michelle Malkin, Glen Beck, Thomas Sowell, Joe Wilson say it will mean. I'm talking about what the President has actually said. The way it is being put forth is that every American will be forced to accept government sponsored healthcare. I never heard the President say that. I did hear him say the government would provide healthcare that would give citizens another, and perhaps cheaper, choice than their current healthcare providers if they so choose to participate. Also, because it is cheaper it might force competing healthcare providers to go down on their price which in turn will make it more affordable to those who continue to use their existing healthcare provider. Nobody will be forced to do anything. I did hear that the government may tell businesses and companies that they must provide healthcare for their employees. If said companies and businesses did this already it would be a non-issue. If I had owned a business I would do everything in my power to see that my employees received some form of healthcare coverage. Not only would it make for happy employees, but it would make for healthier employees meaning less time missed for illness and less money spent towards employees who have to go on disability because they had no access to preventative care. Normally when people start arguing against too much government interference it is usually because they are doing things they shouldn't be doing. Why would the government need to interfere or even want to interfere if people were doing what they were supposed to be doing in treating their fellow citizens with respect in the first place. The federal government gave state and local governments all the time in the world to implement integration during the civil rights movement. Eisenhower and Kennedy only got involved when the violence began to give the U.S. a black-eye in the sight of the world. And just like today there was a public uproar over integration. One of the things that was going around was that integration would mean that young black boys would want to rape young white girls if they went to school together. People today would say that is absurd. Politicians of the day and people who disagreed with integration used this scare tactic to play on people's ignorance to push forward their agenda. You can see how people can twist the truth to spread panic. Unfortunately things don't change and that is scary. Is the Presidents healthcare reform the be all end all to the healthcare problem in this country? Probably not. There will never be a system that will suit or service everyone. You do have to give him credit for at least trying to make good on his campaign promises and even work through bipartisanship even though people are fighting him every step of the way. I've heard everyone say how bad his healthcare reform is going to be, but what I haven't heard from all the venters is a workable alternative. Why don't all the people ranting at town hall meetings and in this forum come up with a healthcare solution that will help a majority of hardworking American citiziens have access to affordable healthcare. I would like to see it. I work for a national retailer that makes sure you work just less than enough hours so you don't receive benefits. Is that fair? What's the solution?

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Comments

    To all the idiots wrote on Oct 9, 2009 9:31 PM:

    " Get off of the Obama Hussein Barack
    time to move on quit sucking on sour grapes. Totally unecessary and stupid talk the joke is on you. "

    Jan B. wrote on Oct 3, 2009 9:47 AM:

    " to Nena; the Post Office has been poorly run and inefficient long before Bush was elected. Also if you think there will be any money left to help the Post Office when Obama gets finished spending think again. With the way he's printing money the dollar won't be worth anything anyway. Because of the lowering value of the dollar, there is even talk of removing the dollar as the worlds currency. But I guess I shouldn't worry, because China, India, and Japan will call in all there loans and it will be a mute point anyway. Go Obama! "

    Nena wrote on Oct 2, 2009 1:11 PM:

    " To Chip: You can agree with Podoo all you want. But I just want to tell you that Post Office workers are some of the hardest working people around. Don't attack Post Office workers by saying that we got an attitude. If you had to deal with some of the people we have to deal with, then you would have an attitude to. Because of the economy that Bush left Obama we can't hire no body. Obama is going to make it right if people like you would just give him the chance. "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 30, 2009 1:04 PM:

    " How many of you or anyone you know have applied for the medical card and/or food stamp program since you were in need ? How many of you then were denied because made a few dollars more than their guidelines . How many of you are okay with the new DEMOCRAT incentive to approve those who choose to reside here without citizenship or approval . Why are the lawmakers willing to sign on the dotted line of the healthcare reform bill without reading and understanding it first . Buy a house or car read the contract prior to signing "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 30, 2009 6:09 AM:

    " To Craig:
    It's cheaper to pick them up when they go to emergency room and bus them to Mexico!!!! "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM:

    " To clueless . Years ago there was a religious cult run by Jim Jones . All his followers did not stray from his teachings although his beliefs did not conform to traditional beliefs . The cult ended with a mass suicide using Kool-aide laced with cyanide as required by the cult leader . Now a person who appears to follow a leader with out consideration is classified as a Kool-aide drinker . Hopefully all will become fully informed about any issue regardless of the source and make an informed decision as to what is true . "

    Chip wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:46 AM:

    " I agree with Po-Doo. If health care is run like the PO, then it will be poorly run, deep in debt with employee that have an attitude. The dems want to cut the benefits of seniors that have paid into it for years while giving illegals full access to health care. Don't believe it? Then ask seniors about not getting a cost of living pay raise in 2010, cut in benefits and Sheila Jackson Lee (D) congresswomen from Texas is openly stating dem's support for illegals to get health care. Yes, Obama LIED! "

    Paul Allen wrote on Sep 29, 2009 6:35 AM:

    " If Obama says it, it must be true! Isn't it great that we finally have a politician that is completely honest. Whoever believes that has to visit my Kool-Aid stand. I could use the money. "

    Craig wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 PM:

    " Think, outraged this country has not the manpower or money to stop the influx of border entries. The borders have been open too long so it's a little late people are already here. However, some kind of healthcare is needed for these people to prevent the spread of illness and disease being transported from other areas of the world. Don't assist and we'll all be sick in this country.(example, H1N1) "

    Po-Doo wrote on Sep 28, 2009 2:05 PM:

    " I think that we should have government run health care. Just look what a government run program like running our Post Office. Can you say $7 billion shortfall? I love to hear that when I am standing in the long lines at the PO with one PO employee working behind the counter. And that poor employee usually has an attitude with anyone that is not of the same color. That really makes me PO. We need to cut all those seniors benefits, especially those that have paid into the system for years. DUM! "

    clueless wrote on Sep 28, 2009 12:48 PM:

    " I have been reading post for awhile on this newspaper. Can someone please tell me what is drinking Kool-aide about? What does that means? "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 28, 2009 12:14 PM:

    " To Idiots All:

    Mmmm,Mmmm,Mmm
    Barack Hussein Obama!
    Idiots All and his mamma!
    Believe anything Obama say!
    Down to his very last day!!! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 28, 2009 9:37 AM:

    " To Idiots All: Welfare was started to ensnare hard working people into becoming lazy faithful democrats!!! Once they got into the system they and their descendants would continue to abuse taxpayers for all generations!!! That is why we now have 70% of people receiving more from the government than they pay into it!!!The top 30% of taxpayers support for the other 70%!!! That's what you and Barack want!!! Talk about LIES & DECEPTION!!! Barack wrote the book on that!!!! If anyone wants to know the REAL Barack,they should get his book!!! Talk about a racist,he's king!!! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 28, 2009 4:10 AM:

    " To Loving: You MADE my point!!! YOU are a LEMMING!!! Follow all these people in all these socialist countries off a cliff just like a LEMMING!!! Just because they have it DOESN'T make it FEASIBLE!!!! That's why we can't keep people out of here! We can't control our borders now and you want to offer illegals FREE health care???? "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 27, 2009 5:11 PM:

    " To outraged continued: I rarely saw my dad as a kid because he was up before me in the morn and returned after i went to bed because he worked two or sometimes three jobs to provide .The programs of welfare were started to give out of work, struggling poor white folks help in the early 20th century. the rest of us recieved it by default after the fact.You lost the house and senate through scandal and corruption . You would now use lies and deception to further a lost cause. So sad!!! "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 27, 2009 4:51 PM:

    " TO outraged . I did not say i was a democrat idiot . I simply meant a household where a person can make up their own mind. Are you telling me that you would demand/tell your wife or kid how to vote . That is sad and comunistic. just to show that i respect your viewpoint (however draconian and unacheivable it may be) . I am a middle age man, a registered dem (but i vote for the best candidate ,not the party) . I work in a tech field with skills learned on my own dime . "

    To the form author Tom wrote on Sep 27, 2009 4:04 PM:

    " If you eliminate all the people that explain what healthcare reform will mean then you my friend miss the truth. Trick listening to Obama, he doesn't even know what's in the bill. What he "says" and what's in the bill are two different things. Check it out for yourself dude! I may not always agree with these people but they're on top of this and It's up to the individual to decide for themselves what the truth is and hopefully enough are smart enough to find the truth and recognize it. That's the American way. "

    Jan B wrote on Sep 27, 2009 12:54 PM:

    " To LovingGOPmelt down; If we need universal healthcare so everyone has service why don't we get rid of Acaidiannd Ambulance as well.( my daughter lives north of Dallas and their ambulance servive is part of their fire department, and transport service that cost us several hundred dollars in our area is "free" their..Their anbulances are at lest as well equiped as here,if not better.) Also, I'll take my chances with an insurance company over the federal government. Look at medicare. It covered almost everything back in 1966, now a hospital stay will cost you thousands. "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 27, 2009 4:39 AM:

    " To Loving: What you describe correctly is FREE MARKETS!! People provide a service for a profit!!!If you want government doctors that are educated by the government and paid by the government you need to move to CUBA!!! Our doctors PAY for their education and charge what they want!! If it's too expensive, then go somewhere else!!! It's SUPPLY & DEMAND!!! The demand is greater than the supply!!! I know Obama is setting wages for all the bailed-out industries he bought with taxpayers money but our DEAR LEADER hasn't purchased the Health Care Industry or doctors YET! "

    Outraged Fan wrote on Sep 26, 2009 7:13 PM:

    " Outraged,

    If you wrote a book, I'd buy it. You my friend have kept me entertained for months now. I honestly don't know which side of the debate you're on, but I don't care. Whether you're serious or pulling people's legs, there is beauty in these gems of your posts in this thread.

    Do the world a favor and start publishing! "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:30 AM:

    " In all probability I will never receive government welfare,however those benefits exist if I'm ever in an unfortunate situation whereby it becomes a necessity.That is UHC.

    The most fundamental underlying basis of universal health care is the fact that in the system, you don’t have to worry about not being covered.As it stands now, whether or not you're covered and to what extent is determined by a profit-driven industry that is under no obligation to accept anyone, can charge exhorbitant premiums, reduce coverage on a whim and drop you for any arbitrary reason. "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 26, 2009 9:58 AM:

    " Merriam webster

    Main Entry: en·ti·tle·ment
    Pronunciation: \-ˈtī-təl-mənt\

    2 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group (American citizens); also :funds supporting or distributed by such a program.

    To Outraged:
    Why single out Cuba? Government provided healthcare exist in Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, China, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, South Korea, the UK and other places. "

    DAVID J wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:44 PM:

    " You have to be crazy if you believe a president that wrote a book about how he hates white people and America! He belonged to a radical group " Acorn" that teaches people how to cheat the government out of tax dollars. COME ON NOW!!! "

    PROMOTE the general welfare wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:49 PM:

    " The preamble (mission statement) of the U.S. constitution clearly says to PROMOTE the general welfare, NOT to provide it. The simple definition of this word is important because politicians will twist it..promote = provide, right = entitlement...anyone see the pattern? Our benevolent "big brother" government lacks the capacity to care what the tax payer thinks...they only care how much more control or power they can assume over the tax payer. One party is as guilty as the next as NEITHER has reversed course on growing the government. They're smoking the constitution (printed on hemp) instead of reading it. "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:59 AM:

    " To Loving: I guess if I go to Super1 for groceries and cannot afford them, the government is supposed to pay ? Why don't you move to CUBA!!! Their system suits you to a TEE!!! There is free health care and the government supplies everything!!! That is why people die trying to get here in inner-tubes!!! Who do you think decides what a entitlement is? There is NOTHING in the constitution about ENTITLEMENTS!!! This is something created by politicians trying to make the public think they are receiving something for nothing! Greedy lazy people go for things like that! "

    Pat wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:26 PM:

    " To LovingGOPmeltdown"
    "You're correct in saying that health care is NOT a right. It's an entitlement."

    Like I said, who are YOU to FORCE someone else to be a doctor? Wake up. A person is "entitled" to that which he earns, not what he can have the government STEAL from others.
    I could say that I'm "entitled" to you cutting my grass but that wouldn't make it so. Anyone implying that they are entitled to the fruit of someone Else's labor is WRONG. "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:09 PM:

    " The foodstamp program would need expansion since we all may be broke once we pay for private health insurance premiums , pay for our share of the public option care ( directly or indirectly ) or the penalty assessed due to lack of insurance coverage . Expanding , repairing and fully funding Medicaid and Medicare may be an easier transition for skeptical AMERICANS . The government appears to have classified medical care as an entitlement . Sure greed has entered into the private and government care , let that be rooted out and lower the cost . "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:02 PM:

    " From the information gathered , the government wants to create a new health care system . Does this new system take the place of Medicaid and Medicare ? If these financially struggling entities are replaced what guarantees remain for those who paid into it ? if they are kept in place and are broke and we add the new PUBLIC OPTION PLAN where does the money come from to pay for both ? With the new plan there appears to be requirements for all to be insured or pay a penalty . We will be broke . "

    Jan B. wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:13 PM:

    " To David: Medicare is a public run entity that every working American have paid for their whole working life{even though nonworkers receive medicare also.}Medicare is broke{government run} Medicaid is a government run program paid for by matching state and federal funds. States have to balance their budgets{unlike the federal government} and the states can't afford more people on medicaid. I don't understand why we need to put more tax {our} dollars into foodstamps? Building clinics not a bad idea, but we need the doctors to man them. "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:57 PM:

    " To Pat:

    Any doctor that accepts insurance is currently subject to the oversight of insurance companies.Nearly all decisions, whether test, prescriptions, surgery, etc...,must be approved by a panel of insurance company overseers.

    You're correct in saying that health care is NOT a right. It's an entitlement. Government provides entitlements to its citizens to provide for the common good or as a humanitarian issue.Access to affordable health care should be something afforded to *all* and government has a responsibility to ensure that health care isn't withheld from *any* citizen. "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 23, 2009 11:36 AM:

    " The success and failure of those government entities has nothing to do with their merit. The void left by any one of those areas should not or would not be filled by private industry. Do you want to rely on a profit-driven business to regulate medicine or build and maintain roads? What kind of revenue, much less profit, could be generated by providing disaster relief? How is NASA a failure? Do you not consider student loans to be more of an investment as opposed to a handout? "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:52 AM:

    " MEDICADE AND MEDICARE are public option health care entities . Why have the officials abandoned these options ? There is enough taxpayer generated money to pay for an expansion of these services to allow a larger number of citizens to apply and be accepted . The Federal government can subsidise each States health care program according to the States financial needs . Fully fund the ' Charity Hospitals ' with State and Federal Taxpayer Dollars . Create parish based health clinics within the 'Carity Hospital ' territory . Fully fund the Foodstamp program allow more in . "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:25 AM:

    " TO Loving: Postal Service in the hole for BILLIONS! FEMA,look at Katrina disaster,Public Roads,how many YEARS since hwy 90 was started! Where is evacuation route for hurricanes?Public Education! Let's throw another TRILLION at that FAILURE! NASA another FAILURE! FDA! People are dying of diseases while drug companies are prevented from selling life-saving drugs!Stafford Loans! Government isn't supposed to be everyone's piggy bank! Unemployment Benefits are paid by taxing Employers! SS ,Give me back what I paid and my employers paid and keep SS for yourself! Same with Medicaid and Medicare! Your the SAD one! Not me! "

    everyonehasone wrote on Sep 22, 2009 11:37 PM:

    " The government provides the American citizens with nothing. The President gives you nothing. Senators or Congressmen give you nothing. It is taken from the 55% of the citizens that work. I cannot believe that people actually call food stamps and welfare blessings. It is the individuals' lack of decency to provide for oneself. I just cannot imagine how people expect someone else to provides for their wants and needs. Then have the audacity to demand more,then criticize the working people because they are only giving 30% of their income to the ones that do nothing. "

    Pat wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:34 PM:

    " Anyone who thinks that there is a "right" to health care needs to explain how this "right" somehow extends to being a "right" to force someone else to be a doctor. What type of health care is it when no one wants to be a doctor or a nurse working for the government? Figure that one out and see how it flies.
    Health care is a commodity, NOT a "right". "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:01 PM:

    " To Outraged:

    Who pays for it? I suppose it's the same people that pay for the postal service,emergency services,public roads and general infrastructure,public education,public libraries,NASA,the FDA,Stafford Loans,Temp unemployment benefits,SS,medicaid, medicare,the NOAA,etc...

    You haven't driven on our government-subsidized roads, have you?

    Utilized the free services provided by the public library?

    Mailed a letter using the USPS?

    Been forewarned of approaching hurricanes by the NOAA?

    etc...

    No. Government isn't the solution for everything, but neither is privatization. You criticize the one extreme while pushing the agenda of the other. Sad. "

    Jan B. wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM:

    " To Loving GOPmeltdown: If you noticed I said the public option would eventually lead to universal healthcare. If the government {us} GIves the public option 50 billion dollars to start . This gives other insurance companies a disadvantage to start with and the government decides what basic coverrage will be and tells companies they supply this basic coverage or pay 8%{which will be cheaper} and workers will be put on this basic pubic coverage. Within 10 years most of those horrible health insurance companies, that have to make a profit ,will be out of bussiness. Only government healthcare left. "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:38 PM:

    " To Jan B.:

    You're alluding to a government takeover of health care as in a single payer universal health care system. That's a far cry from the public option being proposed by the president and congress. The hypothetical "slippery slope" argument is just conjecture.

    The constitution states that the government is to provide for the general welfare. Social safety nets such as health insurance certainly fits under that directive.

    P.S. - Thank you for a sensible and civil reply :) "

    Caliguy55 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:34 PM:

    " Check out CBSnews.com. There is a video of Glenn Beck on Katie Couric's' show wherein he states that he believes that President Barack Obama is a better President than John McCain would have been. Also, the AP is reporting that one of the ACORN workers in the videos did go to the police after the undercover conservatives asked him about smuggling children into the country for prostitution. Yet, the poor man still lost his job. Finally, I congratulate Tom for his excellent post on health care reform. We need it, and it will pass. "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:07 AM:

    " To Idiots All: Gee, sitting at your dinner table brings back memories like "Leave it to Beaver"!!! Ward and June discussing politics with Wally and Beaver! I wish my mom and dad would have been like you! Then I might have a understanding of the liberal point of view! By the way, how many wives or husbands do you have?Since you fail to disclose your gender. "

    Agrees wrote on Sep 22, 2009 6:30 AM:

    " for To Agrees: I do pay for my health care but unlike you I have seen what some people go through when they have nothing... some people who have no health care DO work and still can't afford it... Just so you know "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 22, 2009 1:01 AM:

    " To jan b. The last time i checked his wife was not a senator . There are millions of american married couples with opposite political views as well as different religious beliefs . eg . mary matlin and james carville . You think i chose the name "idiots all" at random ? In a "democratic" marriage/family we let our wives/husbands/children decide their own views politically . If anything it makes for some interesting and stimulating dinner conversation . "

    Jan B. wrote on Sep 21, 2009 5:00 PM:

    " To lovingGOPmeltdown; I agree that bankruptcies are mostly from medical reasons and that small businesses are having trouble meeting higher insurance premiums. But would it not be easier to solve those and other healthcare problems, without giving control of our entire healthcare system to the government.{ I have read HR3200 and Baucus's bill} Any from of public obtion{HR3200 and other 2 house bills} will lead to eventual public run healthcare. Our consitution {I've read it} never intended for the federal government to have all the power it has grabed through the years. "

    To Agrees wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:52 PM:

    " Because someone HAS private insurance and doesn't want the rest of the country to have proper health care?? YOU and EVERYONE else that won't pay for your own health care create your own PROBLEMS!!! I could CARE-LESS what kind of health care you get! PAY for it YOURSELF!!!! You are not MY DEPENDENTS!!! It could be a GOOD THING for anyone who won't pay for their own health care!!! Not if I have a say in it! "

    Craig wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:44 PM:

    " To anti sugar farmer--No need for me to read again, I understand and so do you. "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:25 PM:

    " To Loving: Van Jones is GONE! ACORN is TOAST! WHY? Because of GLENN BECK and FOX news!!! More to come from FOX news!!! The other networks are too busy WORSHIPING our Dear Leader than investigating his RADICAL ties and past! I know this is difficult for you and all the other Obama Lemmings to digest!! Hope you don't get indigestion!!! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:10 PM:

    " TO Loving: You must be thirsty,why don't you have another glass of Obama's Kool-Aid!!! No one gets anything for nothing! Who do you think will PAY for Universal Health Care for people who won't pay for their own??? Everyone who has a job and every business!!! Oh! I forgot! We are the RICHEST country on earth!!!! You are right! To debate with a left- wing Ideologue is pointless!!! They have the answer to all of life's problems! Just spend other people's money on it! "

    LovingGOPmeltdown wrote on Sep 21, 2009 11:09 AM:

    " Outraged:

    You're an ideal example of the right wing fringe. Nothing more than a loyal devotee to Glenn Beck's rhetoric and conspiratorial hyperbole. To debate with you would be the equivalent of debating a programmed robot. It's pointless. I would argue that half of all bankruptcies list medical bills as the cause and that employer-provided health insurance is straining small businesses. Your counter argument would consist of a one-liner such as "quit drinking the kool-aid". "

    Mais Jamais wrote on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM:

    " Thanks to the media perpetrating this "Us vs. Them" mentality prevalent in politics, the entire populace thinks that "their team" is the best and the others are mere pretenders. News flash...BUSH WAS A PUPPET....OBAMA IS A PUPPET..they are puppets made out of meat who do and act as they are told to do by their campaign contributors and handlers. We have this uncanny knack for electing what looks good...what feels right...but what does it get us. If you defend the actions of either major political party...YOU ARE A LEMMING...they are leading you off a cliff. "

    Wayne wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:08 AM:

    " Tom a lot of us believed President Bush about Iraq and got burned badly. Now you're asking people to believe an untested, unproven, unblievable president? You can't be serious. You kinda lost me with my 8th grade education when you used the integration analogy to describe the insurance debate. My view is the people of this country are just fed up with thier money being given away with absolutely no say so. Barack was right it is time for a change. It won't be some bogus health care issue though. "

    Jim wrote on Sep 20, 2009 9:44 PM:

    " Well you are right, most of China may be uneducated, but the United States now ranks no.10 in the world with education, not no. 1 as we once were. Education is important to everyone but America anymore. Our main concern today is money. "

    Tom the anti sugar farmer wrote on Sep 20, 2009 5:42 PM:

    " Craig. Reread your post. It’s comical that someone who writes like you would call others uneducated. "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:27 AM:

    " Be an objective an subjective listener . Here the issues from all sources and make an objective and subjective decision . "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:25 AM:

    " Public option health care , pool money from all insurance companies and use this resource to pay for your health care . Where does this " extra money " come from ? Perhaps an extra fee ( tax ) on the insurance company who in turn collects the money from the premium payers which increases the private insurance cost which will lead to more who cannot afford the private insurance . More people may drop the private insurance and (by law) will be forced into the public option healthcare . increase in the fee of the Insrance company etc.... "

    DAVID wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:15 AM:

    " The Obama healthcare plan is not finished , it is a work in progress . His wishes have to pass from idea stage , bill stage and pass unto potential law by the House of Represntatives and the Senate . Finally the bill will become law once it is sgned by the President of the USA . From the rumors we have heard , once the bill is signed the final effects will not start until or after 2012 . The big issue now is The Healthcare plan is only in the wishes stage and morphs upon opposition . "

    Jan B. wrote on Sep 20, 2009 10:58 AM:

    " To to idiots all; What does that make John Kerry. His very wealthy wife has also moved business overseas for better profits. Does that make him{and I'm sure many others} greedy democrats??????? "

    Agrees wrote on Sep 20, 2009 7:26 AM:

    " To disenchanted: I believe you have it correct.... What matters is what the President has said and not the hatters who want everything to remain the same.. Those, in my opinion, who are so afraid of the healthcare reform are those who have private insurance and for some reason don't want the rest of the country to have proper health care. For once guys please think about someone other than yourselves . If given a chance this could be a good thing. "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:35 PM:

    " You sir appear to be a grand purveyor of hearsay/ gossip . Maybe you should take a trip to china . I mean the still impoverished portions . The people that work with their hands , making stuff that americans in factories used to make . because greedy republican owned moved their business's there, thus avoiding the paying of healthcare benifits . most of china is uneducated . "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:19 PM:

    " to outraged : I dont believe i called anyone a name .Just one definition of an idiot is : This is a person who thinks they know when they don't know. For not only do they not know, but because they think they know, they will never make an effort to know.There are other definitions that actually deal with I .Q.'s and such . Anyway this is just my opinion . Please calm down and take a pill . But with the price of medication being controlled by republican backed drug companies . You better have some health insurance. "

    To Mr. Clean wrote on Sep 19, 2009 3:25 PM:

    " You sound like a 6th grade teacher! Shut up and go grade your students English grammar papers! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 19, 2009 11:39 AM:

    " To Better Recognize: Lets see!!! 1776 to 2009 That's 233 years!!! Where did you get 300 years of slavery??? GET OVER IT!!! You were never a slave, neither was your father!!! People like you will continue to sit on their front porch waiting for the mailman to bring your FREE money for what you perceive to be an injustice that was done to YOU!!! We are SICK of that old EXCUSE!!! Get off your behind and EARN your own living and all the rest of you like-minded people!!! Your Chosen One has 3 more years left !!! "

    Jan B. wrote on Sep 19, 2009 11:34 AM:

    " To Tom: You truly need to read HR3200 and Baucus's Bill and see what is actually written in these bills [and what isn't written. Remember what isn't stated in the bill ,when it goes to court is assumed.] I am not being disrespectful, however the President is not telling the whole truth in his speaches on healthcare.{on the order of a child fibbing to get something he really wants} While you're reading,read the constitution and discover how far we have gone since our countries fore-fathers wrote that wonderfull document. "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:55 AM:

    " To Idiots All: Blessings are VOLUNTARY gifts!!! Not TAKEN by UNWANTED taxes!!! Go back to your church and learn the MEANING of blessings!!!By the way do you go to Rev Wright's brand of church??? Just wondering where you get your misguided perceptions of BLESSINGS??? ALSO why the Christian is name- calling??? Idiots All "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:49 AM:

    " To Better Recognize: When that part of her body has a BEATING HEART it is MORE than part of her body!!! Why do you think so many unborn babies end up being thrown in dumpsters??? People don't RESPECT human LIFE!!! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:43 AM:

    " I go along with all your suggestions just give back ALL the Social security that was taken over the years with INTEREST ! Great eliminate PUBLIC education! Now our kids won't be subject to the LIBERALS in the classroom!! Don't FORGET to ABOLISH the INCOME TAX while you are at it!!! Great Idea Craig!!! Oh Yea!! Don't forget to ABOLISH all the other TAXES ALSO!!! "

    MR CLEAN wrote on Sep 19, 2009 4:07 AM:

    " I'm disappointed and disgusted with run-on paragraphs. Actually, the post that kicked off this thread is a run-on paragraph of Biblical proportions. "

    To To Better Recognize wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:00 AM:

    " " Gee What will we do without your DEAR LEADERS LEADERSHIP??? Maybe:Balance Budget,Learn Self-Reliance,Stop Murdering Innocent Unborn Babies,and RETURN to our Founding Fathers Vision that made this country GREAT!!!!! "

    B/c that's what were were doing the last 8 years? When we tripled the debt, erased our alignments with forgien nations, and increased our global dependency "

    To Outraged wrote on Sep 19, 2009 1:51 AM:

    " China is kicking our tails in education and healthcare. Just saying not a good example. "

    Craig contd wrote on Sep 19, 2009 1:10 AM:

    " If the economy goes belly up and all jobs are shipped overseas, then have a garage sale and give the rich a big tax break. These are just some quick fixes.This will keep the country from being government controlled. How you like it now? "

    Craig wrote on Sep 19, 2009 1:06 AM:

    " Well Tom you gave it a good try. But you dealing with the undereducated here.Since they think President has so much power, here is what I propose he do..End socalism, end public libraries, buy your own books in school, no more roads and bridges. Get rid of the CDC, medicare,veterans hospitals.Only the healthy will survive.End the military,air traffic control(the pilots have eyes)End social security.If you don't save your money,when you retire too bad.End public education.Only the rich should educate their kids.Let everyone else work in unregulated salt mines,coal mines,etc. "

    everyonehasone wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:26 PM:

    " It just came out in the news today that 45,000 Americans die every year because of no health insurance. That is why we need to pass this now. Oh but wait, the democrats do not want this to go into effect until after the 2012 election because then people will really see what they have. In effect aren't the democrats killing 145,000 Americans to protect their political position? "

    C.C. wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:43 PM:

    " To Recognize,
    There should be a law; if you can't write a coherent sentence, you shouldn't have the right to a computer.(LOL) "

    Better Recognize wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:21 PM:

    " Continuation: One more thing it was not the founding fathers vision that made this country great, It was slave labor, the abuse of millions of black people for three hunderd years that made this country financially viable , its not great and never will be until it learns that every person here legally deserves a fair chance, help when they need it, and people stop having an agenda just for their race and socioeconomic group and realize we all deserve the same opportunities, support and love "

    Better Recognize wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:10 PM:

    " To the person that spoke about a balance budget, was there one from the last presidency, NO! Was there protest from the mob, NO!! self-reliance, is that what you call the huge tax breaks given to the RIch, that I'm sure did not include you but you supported it. did you protest, NO!! why now, do'nt like the flavor. You or no one else will ever have the right to decide what a woman does with her body,its between her and GOD. disagree, who cares but do it respectfully "

    Truth seeker wrote on Sep 18, 2009 5:28 PM:

    " As Wilson said to Obama, You lie. If you believe what that guy says, you are in serious trouble. "

    To beta reconeye wrote on Sep 18, 2009 3:11 PM:

    " The last census placed the national average houshold income@ $43,424. So you must be right about people in the south making less than 60 grand a year. if you want insurance or food to eat, work for it. I would love for the government to give every one all the money they paid in SS AND MEDICARE BACK. and shut it all down. If you won't work you shouldnt expect anyone to feed you. The government shouldn't tax anyone to give to somone else. That includes the banking and auto industry. My wife and I workfor what we want. soshouldyou. "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 18, 2009 2:53 PM:

    " You cannot be a christian and a republican . Republicans think guns and force by any means will somehow reclaim some misguided or perhaps mis interpreted vision of the founding fathers (god"s my founding father by the way , through the holy spirit and jesus christ) . Most people i know call food stamps , welfare checks , attempted healthcare reform , student aid , exactly what they are . they call them blessings . "

    idiots all wrote on Sep 18, 2009 2:29 PM:

    " Obama is already providing all you idiots with healthcare . Why he is working behind the scenes leading us (real americans = the rest=non white=the new majority) to a better and more prosperous(by the way all you who define this as more money are idiots) america . You see he allows you to attend all these events of mass hysteria(town hall meetings) thus releiving gigantic amounts of stress,heart attacks etc. therefore reducing the number of insurance claims . So on behalf of our president i thank you. "

    Love you but look in the mirror wrote on Sep 18, 2009 1:31 PM:

    " Citizen, I am going to share some tough love. The problem with an individual making $18,000 and having 3 kids is far more basic than healthcare. I am sorry, but we know what causes those babies. You should not bring children into the world that you can not support. THAT is THE cause of poverty in this country, and we should know better. The children suffer for the actions of the "adults" (word used loosely). "

    I read the bill wrote on Sep 18, 2009 1:28 PM:

    " The question should be what is it that “the plan” is going to do for Tom. The answer is probably nothing except FORCE him to buy coverage. Unless you make less than 133% of poverty, you have to buy your own coverage, the same that is available to you TODAY. For a single person, minimum wage is more than 133% of poverty. In fact, the majority of retailers plan to DROP their plans if this becomes law. Cheaper and way easier to pay the penalty. Be careful what you wish for. "

    ToTom wrote on Sep 18, 2009 11:19 AM:

    " You my friend are a "Poltroon"! "

    PrayerOfFaith wrote on Sep 18, 2009 10:29 AM:

    " Why don't you visit an Indian Reservation and ask them what kind of care they receive & why they say "Don't get sick after June." Obama’s Own Words: “Public Option” Is The First Step To Government-Run Health Care. Take out the PROFIT of the Insurance Companies Pockets and use the money that Americans already pay to fund the uninsured. We are a family of 8 living on less than $30,000 a year. We do not make use of any Federal money, assistance or public schools. We do not take FREEDOM of choice for granted!! "

    L wrote on Sep 18, 2009 10:02 AM:

    " FROM the famous word's of MICHAEL JACKSON. I'M starting with the man in the mirror. I'M asking him to change his way's, and no message could've been any clearer. IF you wanna make this world a better place take a look at yourself and make a change.CAN you people honestly say that the PRESIDENT being black doesn't have anything to do with all the anamosity that's toward him ? IF you said no I beg the differ.HE is black and he can and will run this country.LOOK in the mirror and make that change and get rid of the hatred "

    Citizen wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:16 AM:

    " To: Tom
    What I didn't explain in my earlier post is that UMC stands for University Medical Center (LSU Health and Science) is a State Run Hospital which mostly is utilized by patients with no insurance or low income. In other words it is a Charity Hospital. The wealthy family member who is highly respected here ,also was disinchanted with the high cost of Health Care. So if a weathy women who has old money find health care too expensive, than what is the person who makes $18,000.00 a year with 3 kids suppose to do? "

    To Better Recognize wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:08 AM:

    " Gee What will we do without your DEAR LEADERS LEADERSHIP??? Maybe:Balance Budget,Learn Self-Reliance,Stop Murdering Innocent Unborn Babies,and RETURN to our Founding Fathers Vision that made this country GREAT!!!!! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 18, 2009 6:50 AM:

    " To Better Recognize: You sound like Tommy! Embarrassed to use your name because of the negative response?Gee I hope Barack does run again if there are elections to hold after his socialist policies are enacted. Just want to see the look of DEFEAT on his face!!! "

    Better Recognize wrote on Sep 18, 2009 1:00 AM:

    " If I was Obama I would not even run for reelection, you idiots do not deserve him, let the drug addict Rush limbaugh run the country or reelect Bush for a third term. you people have such seated insecurity and false sense of superiority thats incomprehensible. Bush brough us here you ignore his flaws , this man trying to correct it and you rebel. 70% of you in the south make less than 60 thousand a year, have minimum insurance or family memebers with none and you protest a remedy, wanna see a FOOL look in themirror "

    old eagle wrote on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 PM:

    " BHO has rarely told the truth in his life, but we're supposed to believe what he says now about health care even when the written bill (depending on which one you read) proves that he is indeed, a liar? There ain't enough liberal kool aid at NBC, CBS, CNN, et al to make ant rational human being believe that. "

    Pat wrote on Sep 17, 2009 10:05 PM:

    " Health Care isn't a right, it's a commodity just like soap, televisions, cars, and underwear. You purchase it because others offer it as a service which earns them a profit. Since when is it governments job to furnish free commodities to some citizens at the expense of others?
    This should be the basis by which this debate is framed because it is the TRUE basis in the REAL world. Government is not in any way part of solving this problem. Any politician claiming otherwise is lying. "

    peter peter wrote on Sep 17, 2009 9:31 PM:

    " Keep on drinking obamas kool aid. If you believe anything he says just cause he's the pres, you are one gullable voter. I listen to both sides and make up my own mind. "

    To Tom the DDD wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:53 PM:

    " I agree with you for the most part. If you flip thru forum comments, you'll see ANYTHING President Obama tries to do, most are against. They use the healthcare "debate" to cloak their true feelings.You cannot buy an inexpensive individual policy! I have worked all of my life and fortunately have coverage thru my employer; the amount I pay has exceeded any pay raise you get and insurance pays for far LESS! Insurance(and wallstreet) CEO's are taking home millions, but refuse to pay for services your Dr. orders! These are the people that forum readers support! "

    Citizen wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:36 PM:

    " TO: TOM
    Thank you for that post. You have spoke the truth, but I can bet you that the majority of the people that respond to your post will be the bash and smash Glenn Beck crew. You have heard the same thing I have heard OUR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BARACK OBAMA say concerning Health Care. I remember going into a well established business a year ago, and one of the daughters of the owner was speaking about going to UMC for her medical needs. Now this is a very wealthy, Country Club family. Now how is that. "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 17, 2009 12:42 PM:

    " To Conservative Tom: How could anyone confuse you with this ARROGANT INTELLECTUAL Tommy who has all of the solutions to life's problems!! I mean I don't have a Masters Degree in history, but I have one in COMMON SENSE and 30 more years of living on this planet!!! I could be his father except no child of mine would think like him!!! "

    rightful wrote on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 AM:

    " what needs to be done to start correct these problems is everyone should start lining up a good candidate to run for President and Vice President in 2012 as well as good honest, righteous, dedicated people to run for the Untied States Senate and House of Representatives, let's start looking! "

    Tom wrote on Sep 17, 2009 10:43 AM:

    " This is the first time I have seen another Tom post on the forum. Please don’t confuse his thoughts with mine.

    Does anyone believe an employer who can only pay slightly above minimum wage can afford insurance for employees? The government will (not may) tell employers they must provide insurance or pay a fined.

    However, I believe anything Obama says. I just hope he doesn’t disappoint me like the tooth fairy, Easter bunny and that fat man who is suppose to climb down chimneys. "

    Targ wrote on Sep 17, 2009 8:09 AM:

    " Excellent Post Tom. "

    C.C. wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:43 AM:

    " To DDD,
    You need to get informed and stop listening to the liberal media. The repubs have a lot of options to Barry's reform. You would never know it by listening to MSM. Barry's not looking out for you. They know if their plan is passed the gov. will have you by the gonads. They are out of options so they place the race card! "

    Venter wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:42 AM:

    " Working at WalMart and being a manager with all your 34 years on this earth doesn't qualify you as the authority on anything! I have your solution! PAY your own dam health care ! And anyone else that wants coverage! That has worked since this country was founded and that's what it should continue to be no matter what YOU want! "

    Area Resident wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:15 AM:

    " O.K. once I have finished laughing at you, I want to make this comment! I am a business owner. Get prices of health insurance and then try to pass that price on to your employees! Much less if you wanted to pay for it, try passing that cost on to your customers! We have trouble competing with other business owners who have no insurance, workers comp, liability, etc. much less trying to provide health insurance. We would love to be able to do that, but a lot of employees dont want to pay for it! "

    Outraged wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:09 AM:

    " SOCIALISM doesn't work TOM! I know you think a lot of your DEGREE in HISTORY, but you CAN"T rewrite history to suit yourself! History is taking place! People are seeing just what Obama REALLY meant by CHANGE! They DON'T WANT IT!!! Not what he is proposing!!! Get over it!!! You and your PROGRESSIVE EDUCATED friends are NOT going to steal our DEMOCRACY!! Why don't you move to China, or maybe go visit comrade Hugo Chavez!!! Or maybe comrade Fidel! Castro! "

    less government more self sufficiency wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:59 AM:

    " The solution in your case is to change jobs, or buy an individual policy. I have always arranged my life such that I had coverage. I ask about benefits before I ask about salary. If health insurance is a priority, and you are able bodied, you can get it. Those who are not able bodied may have a problem, and I am all for fixing that. I am not however for the government getting any deeper into my life, even if that means I do without. "

    businessman wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:58 AM:

    " to triple d,
    Seems to me that your working for a national chain has failed to educate you
    in the area of running a business. If I were to try to give employees healthcare coverage just because the national chains do it, i'd be out of business by monday. Then all 20 of my empoyees would be happier! "

    Just Say No wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:53 AM:

    " Doing nothing is a better solution than the byzantine construct that the best of the proposals has come to be. If the President was serous about "reform", this would have been a 24 - 36 month process where we, those who will be affected, get to give input, and are fully educated on the content of such reform. Only then, should any vote be taken. FORCING every human being in this country to purchase insurance alone is a huge change in the way this country has been structured. Until we are comfortable, we say NO! "

    everyonehasone wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:26 AM:

    " Just because the President says does not mean that is how it is. Read the bill. The problem with this country is people believe what the politicians say and do not read or care what they actually do. This is all politicians. The difference now is since the first bailout that 85% of the country was against, the politicians vote for it any way. They are not listening to us, we have had enough. "

    not Disenchanted Disappointed Disgusted wrote on Sep 17, 2009 6:20 AM:

    " If you believe all you just wrote, you deserve everything you get... keep your head in the sand and keep believing what "your" president says. "

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