AGL, SOL still at odds?

BY HEATHER MILLER
THE DAILY IBERIAN
Published/Last Modified on Friday, September 18, 2009 2:11 PM CDT

ERATH — AGL Resources representatives hoped residents would leave an open forum last night with a better understanding about the company’s expansion plans and overall track record at Lake Peigneur.

But after more than an hour of answering more than 40 questions posed by Save Lake Peigneur members, Lake Peigneur residents and others opposed to AGL’s natural gas cavern expansion project still believe AGL remains “evasive” about their intentions.

A recent operating agreement reached between the state and Jefferson Island Storage and Hub, AGL’s subsidiary, will allow the company to apply for permits to build two additional natural gas storage caverns under Lake Peigneur if approved by the state Mineral Board.

From left at the table, Tim Goodson, Dana Grams, moderator Maria Placer, Jim Pitts and David Schultz face the audience Thursday night at a meeting in Erath.

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“We hope you come out of this knowing that AGL Resources is full of integrity,” said Jefferson Island Storage and Hub and Pivotal Energy President Dana Grams. “Even though we don’t agree, our heart is in the right place.”

The question-and-answer session of the forum allowed a panel of AGL representatives to directly address the dozens of pre-submitted questions from Save Lake Peigneur members.

Former KLFY TV 10 anchor Maria Placer served as moderator. Video cameras were barred from the question-and-answer session, but were allowed in the Erath City Park Community Center during the one-on-one information session.

Grams told the crowd that being a good neighbor involves “focusing on commonality instead of differences,” adding that a good neighbor also constitutes giving back to the community as the company has with monetary donations, fire trucks, school equipment purchases and other items it has provided for the area.

When asked, the company would not commit to storing only natural gas in the caverns, as the operating agreement allows for the storage of other resources including carbon dioxide and oil.

Grams said his company chose Jefferson Island because of the high-quality salt in the domes, and also because of the location’s potential for expansion. Company representatives said they could not promise that no additional caverns would be built after this project.

“It’s very difficult to answer what we’ll do in the future,” Gram said. “Natural gas is the energy of the future. We think we provide a valuable service to the oil and gas industry.”

When asked about the operating agreement, Grams said it is the first of its kind in Louisiana because of legislation passed in 2008 that allows for such an agreement.

New Iberia resident Geri Frederick said AGL representatives were spotted in Baton Rouge with the same lawmaker who authored the operating agreement bill, implying that the law was created specifically for the company.

“If you are a good neighbor, why not do like other companies and create the caverns in the Gulf?” Frederick said. “I think it’s cheaper for you.”

The panel addressed several questions about its plans to draw 3 million gallons a day from the Chicot Aquifer, as well as about 2.5 million gallons a day from deeper parts of the aquifer that do not provide drinking water.

Tim Gibson with AGL said the 3 million gallons being drawn for two years is only 1 to 2 percent of the total daily water usage from the aquifer. Gibson also said AGL was the only company to ever restrict its groundwater use voluntarily.

“Once we’re finished (with cavern building), we’re done with the water,” Grams said. “If there are problems, we share those with everyone who uses that water. It’s not just AGL being the bad guys.”

Save Lake Peigneur’s lawyer Julie DesOrmeaux Rosenzweig, however, said those statements do not completely answer the concerns being raised.

“AGL noted that it was the only company that has ever restricted its groundwater use voluntarily,” Rosenzweig said after the meeting. “It failed to note that no other company has ever proposed to draw as much water from the Chicot Aquifer in Iberia Parish, either.”

AGL declined to answer questions about the net profits of Jefferson Island Storage and Hub, but said AGL’s earnings are public record with the SEC.

The company also declined to reveal how much the company owes in property taxes to Iberia Parish or how much the company pays in local taxes to municipalities and parishes. Jefferson Island Storage and Hub has been appealing its assessment for about three years.

Several residents asked about liability insurance for lake residents in the case of an accident, and also inquired about the risk for accidents like the Texaco salt mine accident that drained the lake in the 1980s.

“We’re not going to have an accident,” Grams said.

“Hypothetical questions are not fair. People are dedicating their whole career to making sure that doesn’t happen.”

Save Lake Peigneur Vice President Nara Crowley said after the meeting that she commends the company for its attempts to address some of the group’s concerns, but still thought the company offered “spin” on some of the issues.

“We got some definitive answers, and we’re grateful for that,” Crowley said.

“But they were still evasive on many answers. There are still no guarantees on them not having an accident.”

Comments

    To dysh wrote on Oct 2, 2009 10:58 AM:

    " Your post make "no sense." They do offer night classes in English...
    There isn't any slamming just facts. "

    dysh wrote on Oct 1, 2009 9:44 PM:

    " see here we go.. I have only made a few notations on how NIMBY'S handle things,and BLAM.. there you go slamming.. I have yet to hear anything disputing what I am saying. TO "TO DYSH" since you want to pinpoint me, are the same "TO" that writes TO SPOON "?To lame to come up with your own name, think we don't know who your pointing your comment to unless you say "TO so and so" stop slamming. .. Missed some of you at the meeting tonite. werent the snacks a nice touch. how did they prepare themGasIthink "

    To dysh wrote on Sep 30, 2009 2:52 PM:

    " Add a little dawn liquid detergent to your dysh because there apparently seems to be a bit of film from all the natural gas of AGL Resources/JISH spewing. "

    dysh wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:22 PM:

    " cont....Think London & $ 7 gallon gas..or hey too far out of the states for you.. California, Ok.. they dont
    allow drilling offshore, see the can of worms that opened for them, rolling blackouts, having to bue electricity from other states. Me I would rather be more self suffecient..Ok so now you can see where we could go with this. I know some of you NIMBYS out there may be made of money, me personally I prefer to keep mine. See where I am going with this. Its not just that storing gas here. cont "

    Pot wrote on Sep 29, 2009 6:19 PM:

    " I think you need not worry about your “everyday luxuries”, according to Don Briggs, Louisiana Oil & Gas Association President; he made a statement on the radio, that we have a gas
    storage glut, and are not moving gas out of storage and some companies are considering converting
    it to LNG and exporting it. So here is the scoop, just like the stock market, buy cheap from the third world
    sit on it, then sell when the price is right. Sounds like money making to me. AGL concerned about our nations energy needs.... I think not! "

    To Spoon wrote on Sep 29, 2009 6:11 PM:

    " The real truth will be prevailed & all of the propoganda put out by AGL Resources will be "DOA!" "

    Rousseau wrote on Sep 29, 2009 3:41 PM:

    " Dysh and Spoon are making a lot of sense. The bubbles are gone. The water wasn't affected by the creation of the first wells. Otw we would all be really thirsty. As Dysh said, Natural Gas is much preferred over coal and nuclear to make the electricity we all use.

    Your NIMBY attitude is blocking economic growth for the area and access to a preferred energy, but you are all so used to opposing, you've ceased to listen to reason. Your opinion is not shared by everyone on Lake Peigneur. "

    dysh wrote on Sep 28, 2009 7:55 PM:

    " cont.. If you had to pay more for everyday luxuries...Do you realize that you need natural gas to run the generators that make the electricity that you use? well you could burn coal or use nuclear, perhaps you would like a "3 mile island" in you back yard? not me.. This is far safer, yeah there are risks, But do you have any guarantee that when you leave your house today you will arrive at work safely? I think NOT...Now if we have to pay more to get the natural gas to get here to power them,..more later "

    Fork wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:49 AM:

    " "dysh," it might be a hard for you to comprehend so I will put it in layman term...."Spoon" appears a bit shady & confused in his post. Threatened; NEVER! "Spoon" has no facts. On the otherhand, Lake Peigneur residents have only given facts with scientific documentation to back them up. If you look up propoganda in the dictionary you will read "spewing of AGL." At last check the bottom of Lake Peigneur had 5 heads stuck in it and on the bottom of the 5 sets of boots read "Property of AGLResources-JISH! "

    dysh wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:44 PM:

    " Oh.,.. Fork... so nice to hear from you...
    I wonder why you felt you needed to read up on Spoon's commentary.. do you feel threatened, like he must be, from all you NIMBY's out there. He was only stating fact, at which point all the nimbys felt they needed to attack him, so yes he would want to protect everyone from the propoganda that the NIMBY's are spouting...If you would just take your heads ouf of the mud at the bottom of lake peigneur ( hey no more bubbles) and
    see what would happen .. more later "

    Spoon wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:21 PM:

    " What I don't understand is what's changed since 1994. The salt caverns did 'not' deplinish the fresh water supply, or create a safety issue. The only thing that change is the well funded SOL group and the politicians in their pocket. Well lets see what happens from the final meeting this week. Hopefully, the real truth will prevail and not more propaganda. "

    Fork wrote on Sep 26, 2009 8:09 PM:

    " "Spoon," from your inception of post you have gone from impartial, to siding with AGL and now insulting honest, intelligent, hard working individuals. Shame, shame on you. Apparently you have been hanging around the AGL plant too long; fumes have gotten to you! "

    shape edge knife wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:11 PM:

    " To Spoon,
    If you are a resident on the shores of Lake
    Peigneur, you must have your head buried in the
    bottom of the lake. What was your thought when
    Dana Grams stated there would be no accidents,
    he is not "GOD". I trust my life to God only, not a
    company that is trying to steal our drinking water
    for profit with no concern for their neighbors. "

    To Spoon wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:54 PM:

    " You are in for a rude awakening! Furthermore, I seriously doubt you live on the "shores" of Lake Peigneur. You sound like such a "real man" with your insulting comments. By the way, we wouldn't accept you in "our" group; you appear a bit shady & lazy for us. "

    Spoon wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:20 AM:

    " Ouch, that hurts. You forget that I do live on the shores of Lake Peigneur and I do care. But you people have no facts, just 'what ifs'. I'd rather not be involved in your rather dreadful group of losers. "

    To Spoon wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:54 PM:

    " I'm well informed. And all your comments say "AGL employee!"

    Fact we will lose our drinking water, fact we will be in danger, fact we will have salt intrusion, fact an out-of-state company doesn't give a darn about the residents of Lake Peigneur, fact they owe over a million dollars in taxes to Iberia Parish. If you want to call it 'nimby' then so be it. I will call it "NIMBY!!!!" Get the heck out of here and return to Georgia where they are constantly have water shortage. "

    Spoon wrote on Sep 22, 2009 11:18 AM:

    " "To Spoon"
    You are ill-adivsed. You must have talked to someone else. I do understand the gas industry, not like SOL folks. All these comments says nothing but 'nimby'. "

    My 2 Cents wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 PM:

    " AGL is not looking to assist the Oil and Gas industry with this project. If the Oil and Gas industry thought it was feasible and safe to store natural gas in salt domes, don’t you think this would have been done that right after Texaco drilled a hole in the Jefferson Island salt mine.
    AGL has paid scientist to testify to our legislators that this project would do no harm to the environment or the people living near Jefferson Island. Lastly, they hired Sides and Associates in order for Larry Sides to use his political influence on OUR legislators. "

    To Spoon wrote on Sep 21, 2009 11:07 AM:

    " I saw you at the meeting and your response was very vague on why the existing caverns had anomalies and were expanding. I suppose you don't understand the technical or mechanical aspect of the project either or were you appearing to mislead the public? You can fool some people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. "

    Concerned Resident wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:14 AM:

    " I witnessed an incident that was disturbing. I noticed an employee pointing to his watch, to notify maria Placier that the question period was finished. She announced that the comment period was over. An AGL employee snatched the microphone from our water experts hands and immediately walked over to the controls to turn it off. Just some of that "good neighbor behavior" After some mild protest from the audience he was allowed to make his comments. Thank You Maria Placier for allowing him to speak. "

    Lake Peigneur Resident wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 AM:

    " AGL failed to mention that the water that they will be using is DESTROYED forever.This is approximatly the water use of 70,000 people in one day. Thirty two states are experiencing a water shortage. Does Louisiana need more problems? "

    test wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM:

    " test again "

    What a production wrote on Sep 20, 2009 5:28 PM:

    " What a bunch of fluff AGL presented, or should I say, "Another Larry Sides Production". The hurricane guide awards were especially impressive. The same content is found nearly word for word in the LUS guide, except LUS was less flamboyant by printing it on news print media. It goes to show you how AGL just glosses over everything, ,......now where did I place those hurricane guides?...Oh well. I will have to wait until the next issue, I am sure another one is in production, by a company needing a community project. "

    Dinah Boudreaux wrote on Sep 20, 2009 12:39 PM:

    " I, also, attended the meeting on Thursday night. SaveLakePeigneur was asked to submit a list of questions to be answered by AGL before the meeting. This was so that AGL would have time to read the questions and be able to give a reasonable answer to each of them. AGL seemed to be uninformed on many of the questions and some were answered with incomplete answers.
    SaveLakePeigneur cannot have confidence in a company that is not prepared for a public meeting....How prepared are they for any "accident" that might happen??? "

    What a production wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:02 PM:

    " What a bunch of fluff AGL presented, or should I say, "Another Larry Sides Production". The hurricane guide awards were especially impressive. The same content is found nearly word for word in the LUS guide, except LUS was less flamboyant by printing it on news print media. It goes to show you how AGL just glosses over everything, ,......now where did I place those hurricane guides?...Oh well. I will have to wait until the next issue, I am sure another one is in production, by a company needing a community project. "

    Spoon wrote on Sep 19, 2009 1:36 PM:

    " I was also at the meeting and thought AGL was very informative. I would understand how some residents feel the opposite. It's hard for them to understand the technical part of the project. You can't claim to be 'ill-informed' anymore. It's the same old ' nimby'. I hope the state sees the real Save Lake Group and proceeds with the agreement.
    AGL has my support. "

    Jefferson Island Resident wrote on Sep 18, 2009 3:06 PM:

    " I was at that meeting last night and feel that we were all lied to. Some say that the way to know if another is not telling the truth is if there mouth is moving, however stuttering, excessive foot shaking, and rapid eye movement every time your mouth is open is a definite sign of not telling the truth. Each time a question was asked that may have caused the AGL company to look bad they declined to answer or said we will get back to you. What a joke! "

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