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To Free Thinker wrote on May 17, 2009 5:36 PM:
Free Thinking Thinker wrote on May 14, 2009 3:20 PM:
I I don't doubt the existance of a creator. I have said before on this thread that I cannot view the orderliness of the cosmos, of which we are a part, and the existance of a master architect of all that is. I can't explain away the references you make, because I don't know.....and neither do you. Here again whatever you believe is only your belief. I think the cases of which you speak, whether real or imaginary, are yet to be explained by the truth or from knowledge. "
To Free Thinker wrote on May 13, 2009 8:27 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on May 12, 2009 6:29 PM:
Answers to your questions:
(1) Many things.
(2) Sometimes
(3) Yes.....but I do not know if that is the end, do you?......or do you just believe there is something for humans beyond death. Remember....until your belief is proven to be truth, it will forever remain only your belief. There is no reason I can think of to believe, or not believe, that there is any kind of life for us beyond death. Can you provide proof that there is? "
to free thinker wrote on May 11, 2009 4:23 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on May 10, 2009 8:56 AM:
What can you provide as truth that what is contained in the "Bible" is the truth, other than your belief, and your faith in your belief? Have you some proof that the Creator of all that is, has provided his/her master plan for all his handiwork in the book commonly referred to as the Bible? Remember.....all other religious convictions have some similiar reference book upon which their particular beliefs are based....they too believe what is in their books to be the truth. Prove your beliefs to be the truth, or just say "I don't know. "
A Christian wrote on May 9, 2009 9:29 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on May 8, 2009 12:33 PM:
On May 8th of this year, A Christian penned this article "Please enlighten me"
To become enlightened, you must become knowledgeable. To become knowledgeable, you have to know the truth. A belief without the support of truth, will never become knowledge...thus no enlightenment for A. Christian.
More often than not, the comments being made on this thread, are based on biblical quotes, and until the quotes become truth(not only a belief) and becomes knowledge, the author of this article will never become enlightened...an altered belief perhaps, but not enlightened. "
A Christian wrote on May 8, 2009 9:24 AM:
Believer 2 wrote on May 8, 2009 9:24 AM:
To FREE: So insults make your argument valid now? You people who think you are all "above" everyone simply because you know a few big words and "think freely" are so aggravating. And now i'm not arguing a point, i'm just telling the TRUTH like we should, as you pointed out so eloquently. And don't say you never SAID you were above anyone because it can be surmised from your attitude that everyone who doesn't think like you is stupid. And on that opinion about you, I made an educated guess. "
Da Berry to Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on May 7, 2009 10:44 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on May 7, 2009 9:25 AM:
You fit the mold of those who would be wise not to venture unsolicited opinions. How could anyone with an intelligence level equal to a left-handed screwdriver interpret anything I have said as saying I don't "believe in anything". The point of all my comments is to call to the attention of all you dogmatic thinkers that to BELIEVE something is not the same as KNOWING something.....believing something does not make it truth.....so stop at the boundary of knowledge. Like you, I have my beliefs. Just say I Don't Know, if not the TRUTH. "
Believer 2 wrote on May 6, 2009 11:48 AM:
::sigh:: It must be tiring to some people to have nothing to believe in. And I did include your name in my post but it was a general post, as you were the one who was annoying me most, I decided to put your name at the forefront. Hehh. "
The Thinker wrote on May 6, 2009 8:45 AM:
to RaginCajun wrote on May 2, 2009 9:31 AM:
RaginCajun wrote on May 1, 2009 1:58 PM:
To D Hertz wrote on Apr 30, 2009 9:55 AM:
to morality wrote on Apr 30, 2009 6:52 AM:
Morality 101 wrote on Apr 29, 2009 10:19 PM:
Unless you're a sociopath, you have an innate ability to discern right from wrong without appealing to any god or scripture. Your question makes the erroneous and dangerous assumption that the Bible is the cornerstone of human morality. This is the same assumption al-qaeda makes about the koran. "
to to raging cajun wrote on Apr 29, 2009 1:30 PM:
To Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 29, 2009 10:04 AM:
to to ragin cajun wrote on Apr 29, 2009 9:30 AM:
Da Berry to Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 AM:
D. Hertz wrote on Apr 28, 2009 10:45 PM:
My prayers are answered, God has delivered me from extremely difficult situations, etc.
But even if I realized no earthly benefit from my faith, the knowledge that I get to spend eternity with my Creator, is worth it all.
PTL "
JT wrote on Apr 28, 2009 7:07 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 5:39 PM:
You seemingly feel that having a degree makes you smart, or knowledgable. You, as do I, may have a degree but knowledge is not the result of having a degree, rather, the gainining knowledge by learing the truth. Wise Professors will not go beyond the boundary of knowledge when teaching the subject of their learning. The wisest of theologians admit the bible is a history book, and question it's contents being the word of our Creator. Gain knowledge, and don't just spout what you believe because you have some "Degree". It's still just your belief. "
to ragin cajun wrote on Apr 28, 2009 4:23 PM:
666 wrote on Apr 28, 2009 4:22 PM:
To A Christian wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:57 PM:
Da Berry to Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 28, 2009 12:46 PM:
KTISMENOS YIA PROSKYNISI, you figure out what this means. "
Christianity wrote on Apr 28, 2009 10:52 AM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 27, 2009 10:38 PM:
You might want to take a course in interpretive reading. No where did I say that the bible is written by man, or a woman, or anyone else. I don't know who wrote the book. The reason I don't know who wrote the book, is that I've never seen any proof of who wrote the book. Have you? When we don't know something to be the truth, then we can only say "I DON'T KNOW". Sooooooo...... I did not say the blble was written by man.You tell me who wrote the book & prove it. "
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 27, 2009 10:26 PM:
There you go again, spouting out the scribblings of your book, and not being able to provide one shread of proof that what you say and quote is the truth. Just like the rest of the bible quoters, after all you say, and after all the bible quotes, you still have nothing more than your beliefs, which, by-the-way, may very well be unlike the beliefs of billions of other mortals.....and you feel you have the answers, C'mon, get real. "
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 27, 2009 10:12 PM:
See message to "Da Berry"......You too need to begin what you say with "in my opinion", or "it's my belief", etc., etc., for you also nothing more than your belief to support what you say, you can't prove what you say is the truth. Again, remember......stay within the boundary of knowledge. Beyond that boundary, you do NOT know...you spout nothing more than what you believe. We must all say "we don't know", when taling about anything that is not proven truth, and knowledge. "
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 27, 2009 10:03 PM:
You speak as though you feel you have some knowledge of the truth. Actually, you have nothing more than your belief to support what you say.....and as I have so many time said, your belief is nothing more than your belief, and you should preface your statements with something to the effect that what you have to say is your opinion, or what you believe, and not speak as if you know for sure what you're talking about. Remember, you must not go beyond the boundary of knowledge when trying to make your case. "
RaginCajun wrote on Apr 27, 2009 8:06 PM:
outside looking in wrote on Apr 27, 2009 6:07 PM:
Get over it wrote on Apr 27, 2009 4:01 PM:
D. Hertz wrote on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 AM:
Let me guess, you believe that some single-celled cosmic organism appeared on earth billions of years ago and somehow started evolving. Then this "evolution" began to swim, then walk, then talk and today we are able to speak hate towards other person's belief system?
And where did all of this matter come from? When your singe-celled ancestor showed up, he (or she) had to have someplace to swim.
I just as soon have you go jump in a lake. "
cajunman wrote on Apr 26, 2009 11:30 PM:
I tried to copy it to send to friends but could not figure out how. I will just write it down by hand. Thanks! "
Da Berry wrote on Apr 26, 2009 11:02 AM:
pal o mine wrote on Apr 26, 2009 9:31 AM:
To the forum poster calling himself Christianity wrote on Apr 25, 2009 7:18 AM:
You sound like a miserable person. "
to Christianity wrote on Apr 24, 2009 3:25 PM:
tiredgrandma wrote on Apr 24, 2009 3:19 PM:
To Christianity wrote on Apr 24, 2009 3:11 PM:
To Pal o mine wrote on Apr 24, 2009 1:31 PM:
Your opinion on music is as accurate as your opinion on God. If God actually wrote all that stuff, then he also wrote that he could stop the sun for Joshua to kill Amorites. The sun doesn't move,doesn't God know that.You take the bible too literally. I think it's time we accept gays.They didn't choose this.They are who they are and God loves them and all of us. "
Believer 2 wrote on Apr 24, 2009 1:30 PM:
Believer 2 wrote on Apr 24, 2009 1:25 PM:
So the Bible was written by man. And? Every book is written by man. Duh, right? My point being, by you saying that the Bible was written by man proves nothing in the way of it being non-fiction. "
Christianity wrote on Apr 24, 2009 9:10 AM:
I can't think of a better belief to establish a system of social behavior. "
pal o mine wrote on Apr 24, 2009 8:39 AM:
pal o mine wrote on Apr 24, 2009 8:33 AM:
15 ¶ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. The fact still remainds the same!!! 1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, shall inherit the kingdom of God. The word effeminate = gay. "
pal o mine wrote on Apr 24, 2009 8:26 AM:
Believer wrote on Apr 23, 2009 11:11 AM:
Believer wrote on Apr 23, 2009 9:35 AM:
Da Berry wrote on Apr 23, 2009 7:49 AM:
Jarred James Breaux wrote on Apr 22, 2009 4:01 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 22, 2009 9:49 AM:
I would certainly question your comments regarding sucides being above the "norm"...in fact, all your statements are to be questioned. Your comments reflect the absence of facts in this matter. I'm always interested in gaining knowledge, so if you will, please provide me the source of you proof of what you say about this subject. While I recognize there are many deaths associated with sexual activities, e.g., AIDS and other STDs, the hetrosexual world is equally a part of this death rate. I look to you for proof otherwise. "
Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Apr 22, 2009 7:59 AM:
The suicide rate( if indeed higher) is a side effect of the cruelty homosexuals are bombarded with by so called well meaning christians. Live and let live. Not everyone has chosen christianity as there path. Homosexuality has been around forever, give it up because its obviously not going anywhere. Heres a thought. Instead of worrying about what consenting adults do......get involved with helping high risk kids. If you want to make positive waves in society help the next generation be better citizens. The latter is just a waste of your time & energy. "
Mediator wrote on Apr 22, 2009 7:04 AM:
D. Hertz wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:29 PM:
D. Hertz wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:28 PM:
This humanistic, scientific analysis paralells what God has already stated in his word, it just took humans a long time to "discover" it. "
Free Thinkin Thinker Contd wrote on Apr 21, 2009 6:38 PM:
To My Jesus Is Love wrote on Apr 21, 2009 6:30 PM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 21, 2009 6:29 PM:
"The bible says", "the bible says".....all I'm hearing from most of you is "the bible says", or "it tells us in the bible, etc., etc.
Given that it's only your belief, and not knowledge, just as it is not knowledge that stands in support of what I say, it must be accepted that none of us have any proven knowledge of the plans of the Master. Doesn't it follow then, that all of which we speak is nothing more than a "possibility". Cont'd.... "
Just a thought wrote on Apr 21, 2009 4:01 PM:
thats not all they wrote wrote on Apr 21, 2009 1:14 PM:
Steve B. wrote on Apr 21, 2009 12:01 PM:
Jesus said He came, not to bring peace, but to bring a sword. This is what His truth does for those who reject it.
It is an act of charity to admonish the sinner. If someone is doing something harmful to themselves (which includes their soul), we have an obligation to try to correct them (charitably, of course). Those who don't, usually refrain from doing so for selfish reasons. They don't want to be rejected. True charity, very often, involves risking rejection by those you're trying to help. "
to Steve wrote on Apr 21, 2009 11:49 AM:
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 21, 2009 11:24 AM:
You asked if "everyone who shaves his heat, etc., etc., going to heaven". You tell us.....you seem to have the inside track into what is right and wrong...even though your inside track is based on nothing that is substantiated by truth..only your belief. Again!!! Don't go beyond the boundary of knowledge in your effort to convince your reader that what you say is the truth. You just can't do it. You provide nothing other than that which you believe. Nothing more. "
Steve B. wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:26 AM:
Jesus founded one Church, and taught its first members, the Apostles, ALL His truths and commanded them to teach others, etc. The Bible says it does NOT have ALL of Christ's teachings, however. (John 21:25) "
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:12 AM:
And what, the world of knowledge would ask, is your source of that which you speak?....Why, of course, the only thing that stands in support of what you speak, is, as usual, your "bible".....that self-fullfillilng history book from which most non-self-thinking individuals turn, to support that which they BELIEVE, but cannot provide any source of Truth... as always, only their belief, and nothing more. If your belief enhances your life on earth, then embrace it, but stop at the boundry of knowledge. Beyond that boundry is only your belief, not knowledge. Accept it. "
love wrote on Apr 21, 2009 10:02 AM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 21, 2009 8:32 AM:
MR CLEAN wrote on Apr 21, 2009 8:19 AM:
Sure thing wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:45 AM:
So - to everyone who shaves your head, beards, legs, etc - are you going to Heaven? "
Mediator wrote on Apr 21, 2009 7:29 AM:
Many of the arguments here are petty. Read the gospels, meditate upon them, and follow the teachings of God incarnate: love, forgiveness, not judging... "
To To All wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:46 PM:
to The Seeker Of Knowledge wrote on Apr 20, 2009 6:20 PM:
Born Again Christian wrote on Apr 20, 2009 5:39 PM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 20, 2009 4:52 PM:
I am taking your post as a confirmation from God, because I've been thinking that very thing, to leave this post alone and go where I can do some good. "
Free Thinkin Thinker wrote on Apr 20, 2009 4:47 PM:
There you go again.....trying to make your case on what you BELIEVE, and not what you KNOW. Remember, knowledge is truth; your belief will never be anything but a belief, until it becomes knowledge, and that will only occur when the TRUTH is made KNOWn. "
Believer wrote on Apr 20, 2009 4:29 PM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 20, 2009 4:17 PM:
I am sure that when we meet God in the end, there will be some things that we misunderstood or misinterpreted. I pray constantly, asking for God's guidance. God will judge us on our hearts. If we know something is wrong, and we do it anyway, we will be judged more harshly than if we didn't know it was wrong. The Bible has stood the test of time. I understand many things in it, but there's much I don't understand. I'm not God and I'm not anywhere near perfect. "
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 20, 2009 4:08 PM:
Gay people are God's children, everyone is God's children. You are not reading my entire posts, or you are set in your own mind. I love all people, gay, straight, black, white, muslim, indian, etc. Accepting something that is wrong is something entirely different. It is wrong for elementary grade children to be taught that homosexuality is right and okay. If someone is gay, it should be between them and God. Stop trying to force a lifestyle down other people's throat. "
To - To All wrote on Apr 20, 2009 3:46 PM:
The purpose of this debate is that the Bible, a BOOK, was written by MAN over 2000 years ago - this same book said it was an abomination for a man to shave his beard, had stories of old men marrying young teens, and yet, one of the most amazing things we take out of this book is that God doesn't like gays? Wow...pick and choose "Christians" at it again. "
The Seeker Of Knowledge wrote on Apr 20, 2009 3:39 PM:
Phyllis, you state "First, God destroyed Sodom and Gororrah, because of imorallity of all kinds, including homosexuality." I would ask that you prove that this actually happened....and I mean prove it, not just doing what every other Court Jester, and religious non-thinker does, and start quoting your "bible". Keep in mind that it has long been admitted by the world's most learned theologians, that the bible is only a history book. "
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 20, 2009 3:00 PM:
Steve B. wrote on Apr 20, 2009 2:50 PM:
For those who think Christ's truths are only in the Bible, two sugggestions: 1) Read John 21:25 that says that not everything is IN the Bible. 2) View the three part video on the Origins of the Bible at alabamacatholicresources.com/bible.html "
tiredgrandma wrote on Apr 20, 2009 2:25 PM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 20, 2009 2:24 PM:
Bbean wrote on Apr 20, 2009 1:25 PM:
To All wrote on Apr 20, 2009 1:13 PM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 20, 2009 11:44 AM:
expressed in human language... by human authors possessed of limited capacities and resources.” Jesuit Father Joseph Fitzmyer, said fundamentalists failed to recognize that several years elapsed between the time Jesus spoke and the time when the gospels were written. “There was no stenographer, no one with a tape recorder on that time "
Free thinkin thinker wrote on Apr 20, 2009 9:34 AM:
Proove to me that homosexuality is wrong, and do so without going to your "bible", which is, as has so often been discussed here in this forum, not a proven source of knowledge. Agaiin, just having faith in your belief, does NOT make it knowledge, nor does it stand in support of your cause. Try again; but this time use truth and knowledge, and not what is recorded in a history book. "
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 20, 2009 8:37 AM:
The document said fundamentalism refused to admit that there was a human element in the transmission of the Word of God. Phyllis, put the Bible down for just a minute and really try to understand Jesus. He is all around us, speaking to us, right now. You don't have-to-just-rely-on-a-book-written-2,000 years ago by men-trying-to-interpret-what they thought-God-was-trying-to-say. "
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 20, 2009 8:05 AM:
And No, I do not believe my uncle was "created" that way. Acting on homosexuality is a sin, and when we sin, we are making a choice to do wrong instead of right. There are those who have homosexual tendancies but remain celibate. "
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 20, 2009 7:22 AM:
to all wrote on Apr 19, 2009 11:54 AM:
Free Thinkin Thinker again wrote on Apr 18, 2009 8:31 PM:
Truth Seeker wrote on Apr 18, 2009 8:16 PM:
Show me a source of "Truth", and "knowledge" that proves there is any validity whatsoever in what is contained in the christion bible, or any other publication of religious beliefs. Let me say up front that I already know that any response to this will begin with something to the effect of quoting your bible, which is absurd, and shows you don't understand the point I'm making...which is: Don't try to justify your beliefs with no truth or knowledge to support your augument. "
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 18, 2009 4:54 PM:
Independent wrote on Apr 18, 2009 4:47 PM:
Independent wrote on Apr 18, 2009 4:37 PM:
To all concerned... wrote on Apr 18, 2009 1:37 PM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 18, 2009 10:38 AM:
The New Testament wrote on Apr 17, 2009 4:43 PM:
Jarred James Breaux wrote on Apr 17, 2009 4:40 PM:
Child of GOD wrote on Apr 17, 2009 3:40 PM:
Galations 5:19-21 it states that Homosexuals WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of GOD.
Do you need to be hooked on Phonix to undertand that? "
To Independent wrote on Apr 17, 2009 2:37 PM:
ingodwe trus wrote on Apr 17, 2009 2:23 PM:
To My Jesus is Love from Phyllis wrote on Apr 17, 2009 2:19 PM:
To My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 17, 2009 12:03 PM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 17, 2009 8:27 AM:
To Child of God cont. wrote on Apr 17, 2009 1:14 AM:
Phyllis "
To Child of God wrote on Apr 17, 2009 1:08 AM:
To Independent wrote on Apr 17, 2009 12:39 AM:
KH wrote on Apr 16, 2009 10:14 PM:
Sodom and Gomorrah were real villages. If you believe one verse of Bible then why do you not believe their destruction occurred as stated in the Bible. "
To child of God wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:39 PM:
They are so blinded by this make believe God that is just okay with anything you do. He gives us freewill to choose. The bible is the inspired word of God and there is a burning place and this loving God doesn't send you there. You choose it for yourself. I'm not trying to judge anyone but I do have a heavy burden for them and would like to see them repent before it's too late. "
To child of God wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:31 PM:
Independent wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:05 PM:
P.S.- Perhaps your gay siblings don't need you to "pray" them into heaven. "
Child of GOD wrote on Apr 16, 2009 4:03 PM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 16, 2009 12:38 PM:
xxx wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:06 AM:
To Independent wrote on Apr 16, 2009 6:49 AM:
Independent wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:22 PM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:08 PM:
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:57 PM:
Independent wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:53 PM:
Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Apr 15, 2009 3:46 PM:
To Enlighten Ms Romero wrote on Apr 15, 2009 2:17 PM:
pal o mine wrote on Apr 15, 2009 1:00 PM:
GodisinControl wrote on Apr 15, 2009 11:25 AM:
To My Jesus Is Love wrote on Apr 15, 2009 11:19 AM:
Matthew 10 34:36
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn " 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law - a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." "
To Tired Grandma wrote on Apr 15, 2009 11:12 AM:
It is the reason I usually avoid the forum. "
JAFA wrote on Apr 15, 2009 11:10 AM:
Romans 1:24-28 (New International Version)
You can review it at the biblegateway.com website.
Also there is an article relative to this discussion with an exhaustive list of links about what the bible has to say about homosexuality at the faithfacts.org website, on their gay rights article.
It is from a Christian perspective so many of you will likely not have any use for it. "
Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Apr 15, 2009 10:47 AM:
Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Apr 15, 2009 10:37 AM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 15, 2009 9:05 AM:
tiredgrandma wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:31 AM:
Here we go again wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:38 AM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:11 AM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 15, 2009 6:58 AM:
cajun wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:31 PM:
Enlighten wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:16 PM:
Independent wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:15 PM:
-Mohandas Gandhi "
My Jesus is Love wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:13 PM:
Another To Phyllis wrote on Apr 14, 2009 8:16 PM:
Puhlease wrote on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 14, 2009 12:10 PM:
To Cajun: As I stated in my previous post, I was offering God's word because she asked for it. As stated before, we are never to hate or judge someone because of their sin. "
Cajun wrote on Apr 14, 2009 11:12 AM:
Stop picking and choosing which Bible versus you like just to support your hatred. Homosexuality was "banned" in the Bible b/c it had to do with the need for procreation and survival (nothing else).
The ban on eating shellfish and pork has nothing to do with God's word but simply a way to tell people to avoid it b/c undercooking and no storage capabilities caused many people to get sick and die from eating those products -and-people-back-then-didn't-understand-why. "
To Phyllis wrote on Apr 14, 2009 10:10 AM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 14, 2009 7:38 AM:
Phyllis Romero wrote on Apr 14, 2009 7:33 AM: