Affirmative Action

By Max
Published/Last Modified on Monday, November 17, 2008 11:48 AM CST

I was wondering about the fate of affirmative action. The president elect is a black man, What does that tell you. If a black man can attain the best job in the U.S.A., Should not affirmative action be thrown out the window. I will answer that for you. (It should have never been put in place to begin with.) It is an anchor around the ankles of most if not all american businesses. I will be called a rasicst, but that is not the case. It should be the best man for the the job regardless of race, religion,ect, ect,. Please don't get angry and reply, think about the future and the CHANGE that needs to take place. Every one wants the country to move forward here is the first step. All men are created equal, except under affirmative action.

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HRGuy wrote on Dec 19, 2008 8:32 AM:

" You are entitled to believe the law is "not right" Max. However, in my experience I KNOW the law exists for a reason. If EEO/AA did not exist how would you ever prove discrimination against yourself? YOU COULDN'T! You can't protect yourself against someone's perception of you.

I have witnessed and investigated enough cases of discrimination here in Acadiana--more than I would like to admit and guess what? Most legitimate cases ARE against minorities--mainly black males. However, the "buddy system" is a bigger problem here than anything though. "

Max wrote on Dec 18, 2008 9:55 PM:

" Just because it's law does not always Right. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 18, 2008 5:21 PM:

" FYI: I am a white, late thirty something, male, Republican. However, I support the letter of the law. EEO and AA are law and executive order put in place by this government. While I am not a fan of most liberal policies I will suppport the law and the FACTS associated with such laws.

These "fringe" beliefs about certain government policies leave no wonder as to why the White House was lost. Following the law is not a mandate for liberal behavior. It is what a civil American does. "

winnethepooh wrote on Dec 18, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Parent

Do you have proof that someone was not admitted because of AA. I speak not from both sides of my mouth but from the truth. When someone feels that they have been somehow mistreated their opionion of said matter is set in stone regardless if it is correct or not. Such is life, yes. Life deals us many good and also bad situations. Learn to deal with each as God gives them to us. No one has a perfect life that will come when we receive our reward from our Almighty God. "

Parent wrote on Dec 18, 2008 12:43 PM:

" TO Poo!
Whatttt? Such is life! That is what we are conservatives are screaming. I love liberals they always talk about of both sides of their mouth. It must be hard to try to remember where you stand. I was referring to your comment about the doctor getting in because if AA and saving a life. I very well deserving white male may not have gotten in because of AA. A person should get what they are entitled to based on only merit not anything else. "

w wrote on Dec 18, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Parent:

Who is the white male that was denied admission to medical school and now has the cure to cancer???? Stop watching the Sci Fi channel. This is reality not science fiction.You know that you don't know someone with a brillant mind that was denied admission to any school. Maybe he was not admitted to the school of his choice but such is life who gets all that they want in life. "

Max wrote on Dec 18, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Wrong, Just getting into school there is a certian amount of AA, no one wants to look like a racist so they let people in with lower scores. I have seen it at UL. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 18, 2008 5:47 AM:

" By the way, filling positions based on quota system are illegal under the law. It would be nice to think all of these FACTS can but these ASSUMPTIONS about affirmative action to rest. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 18, 2008 5:45 AM:

" Max, a doctor is usually board certirtfied and state licensed which means they have met the necessary criteria to practice medicine. Your point is invalid based on that alone. They are qualified regardless. "

Max wrote on Dec 17, 2008 6:23 PM:

" To poo ??? "

PArent wrote on Dec 17, 2008 12:11 PM:

" And the person that has the cure to cancer was denied admission to medical school because he was a white male with middle income hard working parents..... Equal means equal not fulfilling a quota. Most of us to realized the AA is not just about race but the race card is always used. "

winnethepooh wrote on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Max:

It is not as important how you got into a particular program but how you performed and completed the program. A student can have a score of 1599 on their SAT test and do nothing in school and eventually fail and be asked to leave.A person with that score would be sought out by many schools. I have seen students with a much lower score but have determination and perserverance and that student will succeessful. The doctor that may save your life may have gotten into a program because of AA. "

Max wrote on Dec 16, 2008 8:45 PM:

" My education comes from the roughness of my hands, where i work the best and the brightest get picked for the job. Your book learning while fine does not translate to the real world as much as you would like to think. 20+ people I work with have degrees B's or higher. Would you like a doctor working on you that got in because of AA, I will let you answer that. By the way my best friend is a MD. He was the outlaw in the family and got his MD later on in life. Still holds-water-your-argument-does-not. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 14, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Max, in regard to that "cheap shot" about education it was in reference to Affirmative Action policy and EEO law--in which YOU decided to write about. Yes, I am a subject matter expert and you and others have been provided with pertinent information in regard to the facts--not a biased or predjucided opinion. You will still believe what you will and you are entitled to your opinions however inaccurate they may be--of which they are very. Oh, and yes, you ARE protected under EEO/AA guidelines... just like everyone else. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 14, 2008 8:35 AM:

" Max, you clearly have no understanding of EEO or AA guidelines or federal law. You can easily research these facts yourself, but you choose not too--which leads me to believe you may have some biases. With a B.A., an MBA with an HR concentration, 13 years of HR experience in and out of state, and HR certfication, I am well versed on the subject. What is your experience? You claim AA "is anchor around most/all businesses" when it doesn't even apply to most--especially local. You believe what you will, but you are dead wrong. "

Max wrote on Dec 13, 2008 12:08 PM:

" hr guy, If you were educated you would not take cheap shots at people about there education. "

Max wrote on Dec 13, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Hr guy You covered about everybody to some extent, and those you did'nt you are discrminating against. You people dont really see the catch 22 in this. "

winnethepooh wrote on Dec 11, 2008 2:19 PM:

" To Parent:
Where are you getting your information about schools givng their black students awards and they are not supposidly qualified to recieve those awards.I have had four children to go through the public school system and I find that to be a blantant false hood. In my 14 years at a local high school I have spent many hours volunteering and I can telll you every award that my child received was earned. Nothing was given without hard, deligent work on my child's part.If you are a women then affirmative action benefits you as much as a miniority. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 11, 2008 7:55 AM:

" THANK YOU Tiger96. At last, someone who understands. AA is designed to ensure all PROTECTED CLASS GROUPS have a fair shot. Protected groups include men/women of any sexual orientaion; groups which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40, veterans, and people with physical or mental handicaps. EVERY U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class, and is entitled to the benefits of equal employment under the law. Do you people think ALL of these groups consists of only black people?? Acadiana could use some education.... "

tiger96 wrote on Dec 11, 2008 2:27 AM:

" Well said HRGuy, most people know absolutely nothing about AA, yet comment anyway. The 'good ole boy' network has more to do w/ you getting or not getting a job than AA does. And WHITE WOMEN more than any other group have benefitted most. Even considering this, there is still a glass ceiling for them in America. Ask Hilary Clinton. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 10, 2008 7:26 AM:

" Also, companies that HAVE GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS are subject to MANDATORY affirmative actions plans ONLY when disparate treatment of minorities(willful discrimination), which has had disparate impact in hiring, has been found. This application even depends on the dollar amount of the contract and how many employess a company has. AA is NOT a blanket policy that applies to EVERYcompany in America. Know what it REALLY means before you begin your rants.

Stop complaining about how you lost a job to a minority or woman because or it--perhaps you just were not qualified. "

HRGuy wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM:

" Obviously MANY here don't have a clue so...

Afirmative action establishes guidelines for recruiting, hiring, and promoting women and minorities in order to eliminate the present effects of past employment discrimination for government contractors. An employer analyzes its current employment practices and the makeup of its workforce for any indications that women and minorities are excluded or disadvantaged. If the employer identifies some problems, it then devises new or different policies and practices aimed at solving the problems. Lastly, the employer develops goals by which it can measure its progress in correcting the problems. "

Brenda wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:06 AM:

" As a white woman who did not get a job because i am WHITE (I am not just guessing about this I was told up front), I believe affirmative action needs to go. And to the person that said that the playing field in the south isn't level. Well let me tell you a secret, people in the north are no better. If you think that people are treated fairly in the north based on color and treated badly in the south you need to travel a little our of our area. "

D. Hertz wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:35 PM:

" The phrase "affirmative action" was first used in President John F. Kennedy's 1961 Executive Order 10925 requiring federal contractors to take "affirmative action" . . . not to discriminate, etc. The problem with this discussion is that no one really understands the law on this topic, which is much too complicated to discuss in 99 words or less. "

Max wrote on Dec 8, 2008 7:28 PM:

" Charlie read all the posts then comment. Get off the lazy i haven't read all the posts kick please! "

Max wrote on Dec 8, 2008 7:25 PM:

" I am disadvanaged I did not get to finish my college education. Do I qualify for help under affirmative action? Yes I would tell an employer to stick it, you might look at a job as a life ring to hold on to for dear life. I look at as just one more experience to move on from. dk ic "

HoustonCutie wrote on Dec 8, 2008 6:25 PM:

" To"hello", He is black-remember, white folks way back then said that a person born with a drop of black blood is "black" don't try to change it now. Yall said it. "

Charlie W. wrote on Dec 7, 2008 4:01 PM:

" To Max--It does not matter what race the president is. Affirmative action covers a broad spectrum of this society. If we were in a perfect world, all men would be created equal. However, it's not perfect so we have governing laws like Affirmative Action. These laws help men,women, older worker and the disabled get jobs where they would otherwise be overlooked. Get off of the race kick, please. "

dk wrote on Dec 5, 2008 6:48 PM:

" To Max:You said you would tell a employer to stick the job up his butt, if you were hired because your race.THAT IS CRAP!It is a myth to think African Americans get jobs they are not qualified for.That only happens for the majority culture. "

To All wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:22 AM:

" folks black, white are what ever color you choose to be need to get a life. It is time for us to unite and call it a truce and put the race card on the back burner. God sees no color only man. 'SUCK IT UP'. "

Rapp On wrote on Dec 4, 2008 11:55 PM:

" Nicole I agree with you black people don't need affirmative action. Those that can't make it, well all races have that problem. Not just blacks. If anyone people deserve a break is the native american. No race can claim the injustices placed on them. Nonetheless you never see or hear of them crying out we need a more favorable chance. That's becaue they are a proud race and make their own way. In fact you probably pay them every time you go to the casino. Now there's a come back story for you. "

dk wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Attention Frank :Please the Affirmative Action legislation before commenting.Affirmative Action is not just for people of color.It includes people with handicaps ,women and other races.IT IS NOT JUST FOR BLACK PEOPLE! "

dk wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:37 PM:

" To Cajunator:I was responding to Bobs comment about President Obama and his admission to Havard.The prison fact was a sidebar to let you all know affirmative action has not benefited most people of color.We have not been able to participate on the same level educationally or in corporate america as whites.Please respond to George Bush's admission to Yale?Affirmative Action worked in Pres Obama case.He was given an opportunity and he ended up being president of the Law Review at Havard .Affirmative Action may have got him in Harvard, but it did not get him out. "

someone wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:35 PM:

" Affirmative action at my office meant that we had to have a certain number of blacks hired. It didn't matter if a white person was more qualified. Now that's what I call discrimination. "

Cajunator wrote on Dec 4, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Dwayne, I have no idea what your point is.Do you mean that affirmative action is meant to offset the unfairness of a 60% black prison population? "

Rapp On wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:50 AM:

" Troy Jamison you'll never see whites need not apply. What you won't see is the you're hired letter in your mailbox. It is affirmative, the action is against whites. "

Dwayne wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:10 PM:

" To Bob: I wonder if George Bush would have gotten into Yale,if it had not been for affirmative action.White men established affirmative action for themselves every since this country was founded.African Americans make up about 60 percent of the prison population in this country. A few deserving students or potential employees gets a second look and people think its doomsday. Universities feel diversity is good for their schools .Businesses think it is good business to be diverse because thier customers are diverse. Relax, you all's affirmative action are alive and well. "

HELLO OUT THERE wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:37 PM:

" His mother is a WHITE WOMAN!
I don't get why he is being claimed as a black man. If he was a dog he would be a Heinz 57!
Judge his leadership WHEN he gets into office not his color. "

Nicole wrote on Dec 3, 2008 4:10 PM:

" Most of us black folks don't want affirmation action. All we ask is for a fair chance but the reality is that blacks have to be twice as smart and work twice as hard and sometimes still come up short. Anybody with just a little common sense and rational thinking can agree with me this! I believe this country has made alot of progress when it comes to race relations but we have a long way to go! "

Devils Advocate wrote on Dec 3, 2008 3:54 PM:

" To Parent, there are in fact clubs for whites only, they're called white supremist groups. Being from the South you should be familiar with the local brands. Ex. David Duke and his organization. As for scholarships, criteria is based on the person are group that started it Ex. scholarships for left handers, teachers, midgets and many others. Kids that are awarded are done so for a reason, as a parent you should be glad that some kids are really working hard instead of whining that perhaps your kid or a kid you knew did not get honored. "

Big 10 wrote on Dec 3, 2008 3:33 PM:

" I'm no statistician but I can bend a few numbers to make them say what I want. Quick math blacks rep appx 12% of the Pop, by sole numbers of course it would seem like white discrimination because there are just simply more whites. My experiences are solely mine. As far as hiring family/buddies; in my experience then that is about 60% of the oil field. I'm guilty of it also because I hired my wife's dingbat brother. So that is my confession and my backwoods shot at statistics. Not justifying anything just calling it like I see it. "

Troy Jamison wrote on Dec 3, 2008 2:54 PM:

" Affirmative Action is meant for anyone who is at a disadvantage. Race has nothing to do with it. Did the government say 'whites need not apply'? I don't think so!!! "

Max wrote on Dec 3, 2008 12:41 PM:

" Hey! Somebody is finaly getting it. Thats nice for a change. There can be discrimination both ways! There is hope for us yet. Toya I have scars, have broken my leg, These to me are all physical reminders of my sucess and hard work. The house, private schools, cars, and hobbies are all reminders. I work hard anybody who is sucessful works hard. You are not alone. We all do that! "

Parent wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:35 AM:

" I have a question that pertains to affirmative action. Why are there college scholarships for only black students but there are none for only white students? That's discrimination. There are also all black clubs(Ebonaires) but what would have if we started an all white club Also black students seemed to be "awarded" "honored"at the high school level when there are more qualified white students. Makes you wonder that since we have a black president maybe we should demand equal rights. We are accused of being racist but those screaming about affirmative action are doing the same thing. "

Cajunator wrote on Dec 2, 2008 1:33 PM:

" Sorry Max, that was me. It was a typo.....I meant to type: To: Max. "

Max wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:58 AM:

" The post on Dec 1 3:13 is not mine. please refrain from using my name. Post under your own. "

Toya wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:18 AM:

" I think the whole aff. action thing has been blown out of proportion. It is suppose to about equal rights, but since when has this country ever been equal. I am a black woman, and I wasn't born with a big cash flow. Things are hard, but I haven't depended on aff. action to obtain any job that I've ever had, I depend on my intelligence and will to succeed and that is what I am instilling in my children. "

To Just Wondering wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:18 PM:

" I'm not sure, but if it was affirmative action that got them where they are, then what does that say about the Clinton Presidency? The self-proclaimed "First Black President". How many minorities did he appoint to high level cabinet positions? Aren't the Democrats supposed to be the "Great Saviors" and "Voice" for minorities? Why did it take a so called "Idiot Cowboy" who says "nucular", to appoint the first black Secretary of State and the first black WOMAN Secretary of State? Doesn't the (honorary) first black President believe in Affirmative Action? "

Just Wondering wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:31 PM:

" I wonder if Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell got their jobs by affirmative action. That's something to make you go hmmm....Also, Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas. "

Max wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:13 PM:

" I know you get what I'm saying, but apparently several others don't.I guess we are just going to have to learn how to complain as loud as they do.That seems to be the new standard these days, in regard to getting things done.We need to apply our ideology to every aspect of our lives.I for one, will go out of my way to not do business/support in any way, any establishment run or owned by someone I know has a leftist viewpoint. Call it stupid, but I don't have time to become a sign waving "activist" like Cindy Sheehan. "

Max wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:39 AM:

" Thats what i have been trying to say affrimative is just another hurdle for everyone to stumble over. "

To Big 10 wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:25 AM:

" I've also seen this time and time again,and it happens in both directions.But most of the time,it has more to do with someone pulling strings to get favors,or to get family/buddies hired,than it has to do with discriminating against minorities.That doesn't make it any less wrong,but your anecdotal evidence does not warrant the conclusion.In fact,if your theory were true,and it were based solely on race,then you are excluding most of the data from the equation,which is,how many whites also don't get jobs,who are less qualified than the minority,but more qualified than the person who got the job.Considering statistics showing-national-workforce-distribution-by-ethnicity,your-theory-would-show-that-whites-are-the-victims-of-employment-discrimination-more-often-than-minorities. "

Max wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:36 PM:

" Maybe Aff-action is what did not get him the promotion. He got his one and only shot through Aff-action? Maybe they made there judgment off that fact. He got his shot, now it's someones elses turn. "

Big 10 wrote on Nov 29, 2008 12:34 PM:

" I said that I have seen black guys prove themselves to be the best at a particular job. This job was in management for a well known oil company to be exact. If you asked me this guy was hands down the smartest man on the whole platform. He knew the rig inside out and made great decisions. I just happened to know one of the partners cause I'm a contractor. Aff-Action got the guy in the door and he then proved to be the very BEST. I do see your point though. Do you see mine? "

Max wrote on Nov 28, 2008 5:04 PM:

" To Alex ,big 01.No promotion is due anybody if it is not given freely, or you don't stand up for yourself and take it, it's not yours! There is the word GIVEN, very sad word Given. I have never been given I have taken promotions or moved on. I am in my mid 30's by the way. "

Max wrote on Nov 28, 2008 4:53 PM:

" That was my first purpose. We are not all equal. Some smarter, stronger, more hair, born with money. I can point the a finger at so many conditions other than color, but no one listens, Vet. The point is, it is wrong to make judgements or laws, based on color. What i have read of Dr. king I do think he would think affirmative action would be a step down on the ladder of equality "

To All wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:25 PM:

" A quote from Dr. King's book, "Strength of Love",.........."To our most bitter opponents we say: 'We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We shall meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will, and we shall continue to love you...But be ye assured that we will wear you down by our capacity to suffer. One day we shall win our freedom, but not only for ourselves. We shall so appeal to your heart and conscience that we shall win you in the process, and our victory will be-a-double-victory". "

To All wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:12 PM:

" It's amazing how many obstacles Dr. King had to overcome to accomplish the things he did, but what is equally amazing, is how much of his message has been lost over the years. Having read every one of his speeches, books, interviews, etc., that I can get my hands on, it's safe to say that Dr. King would have considered Affirmative Action a great embarrassment to his cause, and a disgrace to those who suffered and died in it's name.To today's whiners who can't fathom the whip, the firehose, the noose,etc.,pick up a book and find out what-real-suffering-is. "

To All wrote on Nov 26, 2008 6:43 PM:

" Why is it that we think we can legislate peace and harmony, or that we can force one group of people to be nice to another group of people?This forum is proof that this idea only divides us even more. It is by overcoming obstacles that we achieve great things and enjoy the rewards, not by accepting the notion that we are limited because something is "unfair". We have become a society where one's potential to achieve is directly related to, and dependent upon, how loud we can whine and complain. "

future minority wrote on Nov 26, 2008 6:16 PM:

" What about in twenty years when the whites will be the minority? Between immagration, legal and iilegal and black population growth the whites will be a minority before long. Will affirmative action apply to the whites? What do you think on this issue? "

To all wrote on Nov 26, 2008 5:44 PM:

" In the business world, it all comes down to "THE BOTTOM LINE".If a person is an asset to the business, they will be hired regardless of color.Who in their right mind would rather lose the potential to increase revenue, than hire a person because of their color?In fact, I seem to have noticed a recent trend in the contracting world.It appears that a huge number of white contractors are suddenly going into partnership with black contractors since the DBE (Disadvantaged Business Enterprise) program was implemented. This program gives minority businesses an unfair advantage in being awarded contracts strictly based-on-the-color-of-their-skin....continued.... "

For Max wrote on Nov 26, 2008 8:19 AM:

" Max, you appear to be very intelligent, so you should understand that until the day happens when there are absolutely no differences between humans, and by this I mean No male, female, black, white, short, tall, skinny,or fat etc., then your views although admirable will never come to pass. That is a harsh reality. You believe in a Great Ideal, it is just sad that not enough people share it. Differences have been used as a means of control for centuries. In my opinion, this is as close to your ideal as it is going to get. "

Alex wrote on Nov 26, 2008 7:34 AM:

" I doubt that this would be a young person Big 10. I say this because of the simple fact that the younger generation is being brought up in an entire new world for some time now. They have been introduced to Affirmative Action as it would have been a part of their life from the get go. And older person, yes I would agree with that thought because most of this has been pushed onto people that are of the older generation. "

Max wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:08 PM:

" The quest for justice begins with fairness, with the belief that everyone will receive equal treatment and equal protection, regardless of their skin color or their religion or their address. When you put affirmative action in the equation you automatically lose the fairness. Agree with this or not it is the truth. Max "

Big 10 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:41 PM:

" Bubba, you missed my point completely. I've seen good qualified black men not get a shot at a job, get ran off of jobs, and not get due promotions. I'm good friends with some of my former employers and we talk. If it wasn't for affirmative action I know for a fact a lot of the black guys that proved themselves to be the best wouldn't have gotten outta of the gate. You must still be pretty young or at least you sound like it, Bubba. I'll have that Mello Joy now. "

AlsoAVet wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:28 PM:

" Max, when do you propose this" judge a person by the content of their character will actually take hold on a national basis?" I agreed with you that it should be the case, but as I also stated before, America has a long way to go. If you don't believe me just peruse the comments of any topic on this forum that has an iota to do with race. After which, can you then honestly tell me that affirmative action is no longer warranted. Obesity and beauty.... I'll save for another time. "

rynellaresident wrote on Nov 25, 2008 8:30 AM:

" I read the post and do not think that you are a racist. It is a very good point. I also would like to add that affirmitive action has benefited another group more than the african americans. This group is white women. They have benefited much more. I think that people should be hired not because of color or gender, but the best of abilities. At one time though, people would not even take you into consideration if you were a minority or a woman. I think society has improved a great deal though. "

Max wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:41 PM:

" Also avet You can't comment because you know it happens to everyone of us for some reason or another, and you have no firm footing to stand on to rebut. Rember the ugly people, or fat people? "

Max wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:37 PM:

" Funny thing is it's ok for it to be biggoted the other way no really sees a problem with that! "

Max wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:33 PM:

" In the business I am in, the only color I see is green if you can't make the green you can't stay. If that's biggoted god help us all. Drink more coffee big 01. "

Max wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:30 PM:

" Biggots will be around until man is no longer on any planet in the universe. Also, just because i can string two sentences together you people think i am not a black man. That is biggotry in it's self, you biggots! I have not gotten a job at one time because i was over qualified, and the wage was agreed on before the interview. I look at three sides of a coin when i am doing such things. People are afraid to lose affirmative action because they have not got the skills to stand and deliver. uglypeople?fatpeople? "

NoQuarter wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:16 AM:

" This issue works both ways. For those bigotted people who avoid hiring minorities under the 'guise' of keeping the peace with the whites who work there...it promotes the false sense of superiority when they have to serve a minority customer...last time I checked, all money is green, and the only way to keep it coming in is to keep the customers coming in. Friendly faces make familiar faces...but bigotted idiots don't get it...and they blame minorities when their businesses fail. Affirmitive action is just a tool. People of all colors have to change themselves. "

living in reality wrote on Nov 23, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Just like when blacks move in the neighborhood, it goes to pot. Home values drop.It's worse on the job. Having to explain things over and over. Professionalism goes out the door. And that close knit family type feeling is forever lost. "

Credentials in Tow wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:43 PM:

" People fear that which they don't understand. A brave man dies once, but a coward a thousand times. Oh yeah, about affirmative action, alot of white people dread working with blacks and very often feel a sense of intimidation because they have stereotyped blacks as being overly aggressive for so long. It is that misguided representation that led to the affirmative action programs in many cases. Every person should be hired based on merit. However, that simply is not the case. They know it but the cowardice in them won't admit it. "

BIG 10 wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:38 AM:

" Max, You're crazy like that glue! Do you think that just because a black man is president that it will change the mindset of bigots? H*LL, that probably will only make it worse. I've been in the oil field for 26 years, I know what I'm talking about. Bubba, you betta wake up and smell the Mello Joy! "

AlsoAVet wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:21 PM:

" Max, I take it that you are new to America and have no knowledge of the civil rights movement nor the times that preceded it. In addition, you must not be versed on Jim Crow. Do you really believe that an employer would blatantly tell a prospective employee that they are getting the job only because they are Black? I can not think of anyone that would accept the position either. Your other points are comical so I will not comment on them. "

Interesting Input wrote on Nov 18, 2008 6:03 PM:

" To Max. I would agree with you if history of racial profiling in hiring of black people is still not present. I wouldn't consider you racist, you just see one side based on your beliefs. You may have never experience what its like when you are rejecte dfor positions in which you QUALIFY based on color. I have experience racism in hiring. I am a college educated black woman with much work experience in my chosen field and have not been selected for jobs based on my race. Affirmative action only provides an open door. "

Max wrote on Nov 18, 2008 2:30 PM:

" Also a vet, No! They just have to be black. Why not for fat poeple? Ugly people? I have never seen an ugly receptionist at a oilfield company, Thats discrimination against ugly people. The playing field will never be level for one reason or another that is a huge pipe dream that is not even based in reality. To get rid of it now is way over due. If someone told me they were hiring me because of the color of my skin. I would tell them to stick that job where the sun don't shine. I guess some poepledonthaveanypride. "

bob wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:22 AM:

" I wonder though, would Obama have gotten into Harvard if not for affirmitive action programs? "

AMEN wrote on Nov 17, 2008 10:17 PM:

" I agree 100% "

To Max wrote on Nov 17, 2008 6:20 PM:

" Well said and can I get an AMEN!! "

Frank wrote on Nov 17, 2008 5:53 PM:

" I think affirmative action IS a racist act. It selects a person on the color of their skin and not by the content of that persons character. It should have been recognized by the black community as an insult from the very beginning. It says "your not capable of being hired on your own merits, but since you are black, we'll go ahead and hire you" What an insult, and who would want that job based on those conditions? "

AlsoAVet wrote on Nov 17, 2008 4:41 PM:

" In a perfect world, I would wholeheartedly agree with you, but I live in reality. There are cases where some African Americans are hired to meet a quota regardless their qualifications. In my experience, the African American has to be twice as good just to be considered. If the playing field was level especially ,in the South, then you would be correct and there would be no need for Afirmative Action. To get rid of it now would be premature. America still has a way to go. Obama is an exception, not the norm. "

Lynn wrote on Nov 17, 2008 2:04 PM:

" You make a great point, Max. "

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