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Published/Last Modified on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:07 PM CST

Stand by your vote

Voters must stand up and be counted. California voter voted to ban gay marriage, now there appears to be a challenge to the US Supreme Court to overturn the election results. We as a nation and voting public should back those who voted for the ban. After all, none of these gay people would be here if thier parents were gay!!

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Da Berry wrote on Dec 11, 2008 1:18 PM:

" To Those of you who wonder why Christians speak out against these things all you need to do is read Ezekiel 33:1-8...put plainly...If I say to the wicked, "Wicked man, wicked woman, you're on the fast track to death!" and you don't speak up and warn the wicked to change their ways,the wicked will die unwarned in their sins and I'll hold you responsible for their bloodshed. But if you warn the wicked to change their ways and they don't do it, they'll die in their sins well-warned and at lease you will have saved your own life...'The Message" "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:22 AM:

" To To Kim, No I do not think I know it all.No one knows everything except perhaps that of God,and yes I agree with you concerning common sense. My sense is far from common, it is open and accepting of all that God has created, including you. I accept that you have your own opinion & I have mine.At this point we will agree to disagree.
“Common sense is merely the deposit of prejudice laid down in the human mind before the age of 18”
~Albert Einstein "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 11:21 AM:

" I was taught that it is wrong & sinful to be divorced especially if one would remarry.(don't-necessarily-agree-with)Parts of the Bible state certain instances when one can divorce & remarry, but it also states "what God has joined together, let no man put asunder."Which is it?If it is a sin ,is it any better or worse than that of being homosexual?As Lynn Lavner stated,"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision."Perhaps we heterosexuals should concentrate on ourselves & the 362 admonishments instead. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:24 AM:

" It is also interesting that conservative christians are usually the ones most outspoken concerning gays and their rights to marry.These christians fear that gay marriage will be the undoing of the insitute of marriage and loving families.However according to this christian study it seems in America the biggest threat to marriage appears to be from the unstable marriages of conservative Christians.It is not due to relationships of gays or the marriages of godless atheists. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 AM:

" 27% of people in the South&Midwest, 26% in the West, and 19% in the Northwest&Northeast.Oddley enough the highest rate is found in the Bible belt. The states with the lowest divorce rate are as follows: Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Jersey, and Maryland.It is interesting however that Barna does not point out that the divorce rate is higher among conservative christians than among liberal christians.Mind boggling isn't it? "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:21 AM:

" If the issue concerning gays is about saving souls,lets concentrate on the majority who are heterosexual. According to the Barna Research Group(an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe &how they behave) studied divorce rates in America in 1999.They found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians — exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting. What gives?Athiest have a 21% divorce rate.Among christians the divorce rates are as follows:27% born-again,24% non-born-again,21%Catholics &Lutheran,25% mainstream Protestant,,24% nondenominational independent Protestants29% Baptists,and24%Morman. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:51 AM:

" As I remember the story, God intended to destroy the city of Sodom long before the angels were threatened with gang rape.This act should not be compared with a consensual and monogamous relationship between two men or women.It is rape,which is an act of violence & aggression. Furthermore, references in both the Old and New Testaments identify sins other than homosexual activity as the cause of Sodom’s destruction.Why choose to focus on only the one? "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Judgement day is between an individual & God.When it comes to the USA we are all entitled to live our lives the way we see fit.If you fear the wrath of God for being a practicing homosexual, then don't be one.This is America, and you have the right to live your life freely as long as you don't hurt or infringe on the rights of others.That being said, if one chooses to live a homosexual life, then good for them.This is America,&they have the right to live their life freely,so long as they don't hurt or infringe the rights of-others. "

Independent wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:39 AM:

" To: To Kim: What God will say to an "unrepentent homosexual on judgement day" is between God and that person. We should keep the government's civil laws out of it. I suggest you worry about what He will say to you. Like my 3rd grade teacher used to tell us, "Keep your eyes on your own paper, and worry about what you are doing, not what your neighbor is doing". "

To Kim wrote on Dec 8, 2008 11:30 PM:

" You say all this about the government. What do you think God will say to an unrepented homosexual on judgment day? He is a loving God but also a just God. After all He did destroy Sodom & Gommorrah, didn't He? You sound as though you think you know it all but you have no common sense. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Dec 6, 2008 7:44 AM:

" There is such irony in the debate being brought concerning homosexual rights to marriage. Many of the opponents base their reasoning from the "King James" version of the Bible.If they only knew the history of King James. What a paradox. I believe upon discovery, record speed would be made in getting to the book store to enlist a different Bible version. On a more serious note however, the 14th Ammendment should be pressed concerning this issue.It is a basic American rights issue.Religion simply put, has no legal bearing in this matter. "

I wish I could be like Loretta wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Wow Loretta, you must be pretty important! You actually know what God thinks and are allowed to speak for Him here on Earth?!?! When you die, I bet you are going to be seated right next to God at the BIG dinner table. Would you please put in a good word with Him for all the rest of us poor sinners? After all, I'm sure that with you being so special, He'll listen to you before He would ever consider listening to any of us. You probably don't eat pork or shellfish (shrimp) like the Bible says (in-Leviticus-10:11-and-11:7)-God-does-not-approve-of-that-kind-of-behavior-either. "

Judging by some of these comments..Ignorance still lives. wrote on Dec 4, 2008 11:48 PM:

" My friend is gay..so what? She is one of the greatest human beings I've ever met & she deserves the same rights as I do! I was raised Catholic & thought gay marriage was wrong, but I grew up. The God I learned about & know 2day would NEVER love straight ppl more then He loves gays or vice versa.He loves us equally.He wants us to do the same but religious fanatics would rather contradict everything He's ever tried 2 teach us w/Bible quotes they learned to interpret from someone else. Love is love ppl! "

glad I moved away from you morons wrote on Dec 3, 2008 6:15 PM:

" You say that God condemns gay people and he says that it is wrong. That's fine. I don't care what "he" says. I don't want to get married in St. Peter's or any other "place of faith" for that matter. I want to have a beautiful ceremony where I am LEGALLY married to the woman I love. I want to share the same legal rights that are given to heterosexual married couples. Oh, and if marriage is soo sacred to you then why are heterosexuals allowed to marry and divorce and then remarry? Because you are all ridiculous idiots! "

Deborah C. White wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:08 AM:

" As for myself, I have been reading the gay threads quietly. I see there is much debate on this subject. There are always people who will believe in what they wish to believe in and that is their choice and their right. Is it right or wrong? I will leave that decision to our maker. I do feel that all are created equal and what a person does is not our right to judge how a person chooses to live their life. Therefore, I will continue to read. That's my comment/opinion. "

loretta wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:51 PM:

" To Dee "You said you are a woman of Faith?Well just so you know,.GOD love's the person but hate's the sin.If you knew GOD like you say you do then you would know that [HE]GOD does not approve of that kind of marriage.Everyone is accountable for their own sin.And sin is sin no matter how you sugar coat it. "

Dee wrote on Dec 2, 2008 3:13 PM:

" I believe that ever man and women should be able to marry who ever they chose, I am woman of Faith, i beileve in everything God and his Son has done for us! IF you are gay who cares, My bestfreind is Gay and we love her for the person she is, and if she wants to get married i will be there.. Leave the gay comuinty alone. they have a right to be happy just like every one eles. YOu can be a person of strong faith and still be gay. "

Independent wrote on Nov 28, 2008 2:24 PM:

" Dear Stand by your vote: You state that this country was based on the religion of our forefathers. This country's government is based on the Constitution, written by those forefathers. Now, while I agree that may of these men were religious, please show me any place in the Constitution that is based on religion. Please quote any part of the Constitution that has the words God, Jesus, Creator, Christianity, Bible, etc in it as part of the organization or creation of the govenment. It provides you with freedom of religion, not the ability to force your religion on others. "

way to go Kimbro aska kim wrote on Nov 28, 2008 2:16 PM:

" Way to go! tell them again! I get so sick of thinking about GAY PEOPLE! "

Stand by your vote wrote on Nov 28, 2008 10:40 AM:

" This country whether we like it or not was begun based on religion of our forefathers. This country is constanting taking gradual steps away from their roots. These steps are all about what "I" want not what is best for this country. This country is turning in on its wants and will eventually destroy itself because we are leaving God out of the decisions made. God will only put up with people being disloyal so long. Being gay is a decision one makes just like anyother sinner. We allow it but God does not. "

Redneck oo wrote on Nov 27, 2008 9:58 PM:

" TO: Kimbro aka Kim If your brain was as big as your mouth you would be a smart person you need to be on the jerry springer show Ha. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 27, 2008 2:57 AM:

" To Disguisted with AKA,Frankly I'm getting a bit disgusted myself.Some seem to forget that they're a minimal of 17different christian followings and those who study the Bible on their own.Each denomination has their own interpretation,Who decides which view is correct?The real truth is that Atheism is making a big comeback in America.A main reason for this is due to the hate rhetoric that many display on this forum.Is that what you want as a christian,to turn people away from Christ?By the way I do read the bible.I have 3 different versions.The crap you refer to is history.Those-books-are-available-at-the-library. "

Cajunator wrote on Nov 26, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Under the guise of "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness", is there ANYTHING that is actually constitutional? Is anything that makes me unhappy unconstitutional? It's the continuous redefinition of everything so that certain individuals can gain ground on their own self-serving interests, that is killing us.Heck, Bill Clinton redefined what sex is, to serve his own purpose. The reality is, that we are all different. Boys/Girls, Black/White, Gay/Straight,etc., and we all want different things out of life.For some, it will be harder than others, just a fact.So why can't we be happy unless we-are-exactly-like-everyone-else? "

To God loves everyone wrote on Nov 26, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Other than the word "MARRIAGE", what rights are they being denied? What amendment does not apply to gays? "

City Limits wrote on Nov 26, 2008 12:55 PM:

" I don't see why Gay marriage should even be an issue. That is who they are and who they love. Nobody tells us straight people it's a law that you can't marry this person because someone don't like the one you chose. The reason why it is an issue is because most straight people can't handle it. The Gay people don't mess with your love life so leave theirs alone. Just something else for society to try and have control over. It's sad people try to control someone's personal life. So much for the United States of America, when people-can't-even-marry-who-they-love-because-they-are-same-sex.-Get-a-life-and-leave-these-peoples-lives-alone! "

Lauging at NI wrote on Nov 26, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Just remember, God wrote the Bible, but it's man who translated it. Alot of opinions went in, when the languages changed. REMEMBER THAT, when you're judging others................. "

God loves everyone wrote on Nov 26, 2008 6:02 AM:

" The scenarios you all bring up are hysterical - cars, restrooms, animals, molesters, murders - unbelievable.

Stop for a moment and realize that these PEOPLE are brothers, sisters, professionals, teammates, businessmen, lawyers, doctors, actors, writers, the list goes on.

What makes YOU deserve rights that they don't have - oh yeah, the sanctity of marriage - tell that to half of Americans who are divorced - or Britney Spears' 24 hour marriage.... "

to Independent wrote on Nov 25, 2008 7:51 PM:

" It erodes the meaning of the family as a unit. It is a biological abnormality that defies nature with respect to evolution. I don't care if two homosexuals in love want to make a lifetime commitment to each other, but why does marriage have to be redefined for them to do so? What if, for some strange reason, I (male), decided that I like using the women's restroom?Should we redefine the meaning of a woman to include everyone that prefers to use the women's restroom?I could claim that the men's restroom is a public health risk. "

Disguisted with AKA KIMBRO wrote on Nov 25, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Anytime I read this forum I see this AKA Kimbro, what book is she copying this crap from?

Read the Bible and get a clue!

I have some of my family members that are GAY and I love them but by no means do I compromise what GOD tells me!

I've told I love them but not the sin and I wish they would turn from there ways because one day I will be with my maker and and want them there also. They understand but it's there life.

As a Christian I'm/doing/what/I/know/is/right. "

To City limits wrote on Nov 25, 2008 3:07 PM:

" So if there is a bad law you’re saying that we should make more bad laws?

God did not make gay people, that is a deception of Satan. Being gay is an oppression of the mind, will and emotions caused by a very strong demonic spirit. When the victim gives in to it’s compelling powers the battle’s almost won. He wins when the victim dies in this sin. Your argument is moot. "

Independent wrote on Nov 25, 2008 6:31 AM:

" Amazed, there are many laws on the books right now that are archaic and don't apply anymore. That doesn't make them right, or constitutional. No one has challenged them in court yet. As for marrying cousins, that is not a legal reason to ban gay marriage. Cousin marriage was also banned because of religious reasons, and because of the stereotype of "birth defects" from parents who were cousins. It has been found that the chance of birth defects is actually very small in that case. Again, laws based on what you-individually-think-is-morally-wrong-or-consider-a-sin-do-not-apply-to-the-other-religions-represented-in-this country. "

Amazed this debate wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 PM:

" Kimbro, nice job twisting the words of others. I don't recall Dr. Dobson ever condemning people. He does, however, use Biblical principals to condemn behavior. Also, where are those wonderful societies you mentioned that became so morally liberal? Seems they've passed away...

Jesus was tolerant of people, not sinful behavior. He clearly confronted sin whenever He encountered it.

The consenting adult argument doesn't wash. There are laws on the books right now that restrict who can marry. Try to get a marriage license for you and your first cousin. "

City limits wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:37 PM:

" Abortion is an abomination but they still allow that, so why not allow gay marriage? I mean you can't help who you love. I'm not for it but at the same time i'm not against it. And actually he did make gay people. You don't just turn gay i'm sorry. You are born that way, and some figure out they are gay before others. So if you ban gay marriage you just asson ban marriage for people who already have children. Children come after marriage in God's way so that should be banned to right? As long as abortion-is-legal-gay-marriage-should-be-legal-to-because-there-is-no-difference-between-the-two. "

Independent to We Were Warned wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 PM:

" You stated that "EVERY legal right should come from what was originally granted to humanity by God. He says homosexuality is an abomination" Are you talking about the Catholic God, the God in the King James version of the Bible, the God worshiped by Hindus, Buddists, Muslims, or any of the other many religions in this country, or perhaps the Great Spirit worshiped by Native Americans. In a country where freedom reigns, you can't force your beliefs in YOUR God onto everyone else in the form of governmental laws. We call that "unconstitutional". "

Live and Let Live wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:41 AM:

" I still do not understand how so many people can use GOD as the source of their hatred and disgust toward another human being. Gay people are being persecuted everyday - by people just like you. Pick up a science book people! Homosexuality is a fact of nature! And has been since BEFORE Jesus' time. And to those who think we should base our laws on what God says, what if my God is a different God than yours? My God loves all of His children, therefore, He loves Gay people. What kind of-God-is-yours? "

Joe wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:57 AM:

" To common sense, Can you explain why this is considered gossiping, can we not discuss a matter such as gay marriage, they do in public schools. This is a discussion, where people are free to express thier view about this subject. You don't have to read any of the opinions expressed by us South Louisiana folk. This is the freedom you have. So in turn I say you should get a life, maybe this suject is too deep for you to grasp! "

Independent wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:59 AM:

" I'm still waiting for valid legal reasons to take away or restrict the rights of two consenting adult U.S. citizens. Like I said before, because you think it's "morally wrong" or because "God or the Bible said so" does not hold up in a court of law. "

We Were Warned wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:38 AM:

" And since we're on the subject of rights, EVERY legal right should come from what was originally granted to humanity by God. He says homosexuality is an abomination, and He hasn't changed His mind. Homosexuals have perverted the mantle of civil rights by comparing themselves with Afro-Americans and women---IT IS NOT THE SAME. As a member of both of those minority groups, I find it patently offensive for them to compare injustice based on uncontrollable biology with the natural consequences of their immoral choices. God didn't make them homosexual, and to say He did is to call Him a fraud. "

We Were Warned wrote on Nov 24, 2008 9:32 AM:

" Years ago, when the debate over civil unions was the homosexual agenda topic of the day, people argued that granting civil unions would lead to more demands for same-sex marriage. Those who support that agenda vehemently denied that would ever be an issue if they got their civil unions. Well, they did, and now look what's happening. Those who want legalized polygamy are already waiting in the wings, salivating over the prospect of getting their chance to have their so-called "rights" recognized. "

common sense wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:49 AM:

" Let's vote to make gossiping illegal! Folks in SW Louisiana would drop dead, if they could not bare false witness on their neighbors. Please stop the player hating game. America is supposed be the land of the Free! You do know the meaning of Freedom? Get a Life!!!!! "

Let It Be wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:04 AM:

" I think that when people hear the word homosexual, all they think about are two men having sex. Homosexuality is more than sex. Its truly about who you can feel comfortable with giving yourself to as a whole. Most people who hide their sexuality is afraid of what society will think, and those who dont care become freaks and its wrong. People always try to throw the bible in it and say that it isnt Gods way. If people werent meant to be gay, then they wouldnt. For true homosexauls, being gay isnt a choice, but for bisexuals it is. "

netzdude wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:17 PM:

" I think what is morally wrong is the people voted and now the court has to decide about gay marriage? Why even bother vote? Is Obama (an elected President) the next target?
America has become a waste land the majority has to bow down to the minority on too many issues. You can't please everybody and yes sin is the downfall of a nation. "

Joe wrote on Nov 23, 2008 5:23 PM:

" To Independent, the whole point of the original article, concerns the legal question. The voters in California voted and the majority said that they did not want gay marriage to be legal in thier state. That should answer your question. People make laws, not governments. The people have spoken and no court no matter how supreme should be allowed to overturn the will of the people. "

To Independent wrote on Nov 23, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Who says what the bible states doesn't hold up in a court of law? You? You have another judgment coming. The morals of the Bible are the foundation of the laws of the land. Granted corruption has crept in over the years but that's what happens when you add the human element, corruption. That's why there's no perfect church or religion because there are no perfect people. If we were all perfect we wouldn't need God would we. But we aren't, so we do. Homosexuality is a sin as old as the fall of man. "

aimee wrote on Nov 23, 2008 7:46 AM:

" After reading many of the comments, I have to add my feelings. What goes on behind closed doors is not an excuse to do what is wrong...just as a child molester does things behinds closed doors. Sex between people of the same sex is wrong, just as sex between a man and woman outside of marriage is wrong. The world today is constantly trying to justify evil ... and no one seems to want to take a stand. And when they do by voting, even that is challenged. "

Independent wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:34 AM:

" Ok people here''s your chance. You are in a court of law and a judge asks you to present your legal arguments on why same sex marriage should not be allowed. Please give me your valid reasons. Don't include such things as, "because it's morally wong", or because any religion or the bible says it's a sin. Those don't hold up in a court of law. What's moral or what is a sin to you may not apply to others. Give me valid legal reasons to take away or restrict the rights of two consenting adult U.S. citizens. "

austin wrote on Nov 21, 2008 2:37 PM:

" oh goodness.. I thought God was the one to judge??? "

Entertained wrote on Nov 21, 2008 1:12 PM:

" To the book writer KIM: I have no problem with what goes on behind closed doors with the gays. Just leave it there. They have been in the closet because they knew it was wrong to flaunt their sinfulness. We all sin ,that's why there is confession. I just feel we should not expose our children to the guise that homosexual life is acceptable by any means.I'll tollorate you in the closet but just not in prime time. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Dr. James Dobson even stated in one of his books that when their donations went down,they could simply broadcast a scary special about the gay agenda (or the evil women's movement or the even more evil abortion rights groups - but never remarried people since that would drive away nearly half of their listeners)and their revenues would increase substantially.This is how they"love the sinner,"by abusing them in order to make money? The term "mockery" doesn't even begin to describe the trashing these so-called Christians are doing in God's name .This is true hypocrisy & not christian at all. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:32 AM:

" Christ did not raise money for his causes by claiming that those involved in the sinful lifestyles of his day were ganging up to"destroy the family." Instead he invited them to be his friends and followers.Unfortunately when it comes to religion these days fear sells.Whether intentional or not,the truth is the Religious Right rake in a great deal of money every time they claim homosexuals are threatening our nation's families, or worse, our children. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Of course,the Religious Right claim they are not trying to hurt anyone.They use phrases like,"We must love the sinner but hate the sin."But as Einstein pointed out and Christ demonstrated,"You cannot simultaneously say that you love someone and use your power against them."Christ did not use his power to legislate against the sinful people of his day.Instead he broke bread & drank with them.Christ did not condemn the person caught with her pants down-literally. Instead he embarrassed her detractors by saying that anyone who had not sinned could throw the first stone at her and not one stone was thrown. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:30 AM:

" What that means is, according to the Bible,that nearly 43% of the same people who condemn the gay man for his homosexuality choose to live in a lifestyle of adultery,a sin that ranks equal to homosexuality in God's eyes.
That's right,the very people who condemn one "sinful" lifestyle are practicing another.In short, the fundamentalist religious fervor,and the ability to rationalize their own sins away, the Religious Right have turned the fear of homosexuality into a holy war against a portion of the population. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:29 AM:

" They don't believe they have any lifestyle sins of their own.If you ask them about it,they'll say things like,"I used to sleep around but I was forgiven of that sin and now I don't do it anymore."However,ask them if a homosexual can be saved by God's grace,and many will say,"The gay man who does not turn from his homosexuality is choosing to live a lifestyle counter to God's laws and is not,therefore, saved by grace." What they conveniently forget is that 50% of them-those who count themselves among the Religious Right- are divorced, and more than 85% remarried. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:27 AM:

" Once-in-a-while sins are often blown off by saying the phrase,"we all fail sometime." Lifestyle sins they condemn loudly, making the point that people who practice such sins are bound for heck, and if they seduce our children into such sins, they will go to heck too.These kinds of Christians, known collectively as the Religious Right/ Fundamentalists, make a mockery of their own Savior. They do this by picking &choosing which lifestyle sins are covered by God's grace and which ones are not.They claim God's grace covers their own lifestyle sins but not those of the homosexual. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Some Christians have made an art form of figuring out who is saved and who is not.They figure that if you are at least trying to align your lifestyle to fit their interpretation of God's laws,then you are living under God's grace.But if you choose to continue living in a lifestyle displeasing to God,you cannot really be saved because you are living in a state of rebellion.These Christians are diligent to pick out those sins that are "lifestyle" sins and those that are once-in-a-while sins that can affect even good Christians. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:22 AM:

" By continuing to place judgement on homosexual men and women, you make fun of the teachings of Jesus.The grace you are willing to accept as followers of Christ is suddenly not good enough to extend to those you find offensive. It's a double standard, based not in biblical truth but in fear and the desire for control. We all commit sin, but you both come across as saying their sin is worse than those you have commited.Guess what, all sins are equal in the eyes of God, perhaps with the exception of the big 10. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:21 AM:

" To Joe & ToJoe, I don't live in la la land, perhaps you do.It is odd that some of you believe you can dictate your indoctrination upon people who could care less what you think.Religion is a wonderful thing for those of us who wish to follow, but you can not force people to come into the fold.To think you can do so is a foolish and fruitless mission.Please spare me that you are trying to save their souls. It is not your soul to save. "

To Joe wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:53 PM:

" Well said Joe. Kim sounds like someone who lives in a fantasy world. If it feels good then do it. That's exactly why the world is so horrible because not enough people stand up for righteousness. It's throwing stones when someone takes a stand against homosexuals but it's gays voicing their opinions when they knock a cross out of an old lady's hand and almost knock her down. They are just so full of love...I believe God wants us to take a stand against evil. That's why He said "Blessed is he who is persecuted for my namesake". "

Joe wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:42 AM:

" Many of you say tolerance, and love. You can love people of the same sex. But having sex with a person of the same sex, is another story. Many gays say you can't help who you fall in love with, thats true, but you can decided who to pull your pants down for!
That is a decision no one has control of but you. God gave you free will, to make decisions for yourself, good or bad you have to decide. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:20 AM:

" Entertained, just for the record I am a woman married to a wonderful man.(Who shares my opinion on this subject) Remarkably,we have argued less than 10 times since 1986.If someone gay is fortunate enough to find a loving significant other as I have,I am very happy for them. As an American citizen I believe they should be allowed the same civil rights that I am afforded.Many christians feel as I do, they are just not as vocal. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:51 AM:

" tol·er·ance (tlr-ns)
n.
1. The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.

STUPPITY is not in dictionary.

Can someone please tell me when
Christian beliefs began to be subverted from living in love to the canonizing of condemnation?Actions such as yourself turn people away from Christ.
Do you yourself not fear Yaweh?Perhaps this deed will be on the top of your list for judgement day.Please stop and think about what you are really doing.Behavior such as yours&others like yourself are actually making a mockery our of Savior and his teachings. "

To To Kim wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:58 AM:

" Thanks for the LAUGH!

"STUPPITY" - ahahahahaa!!!!

Being tolerant towards a murderer and a rapist has nothing to do with being tolerant towards another human being.

Get with it people - Those who SUPPORT gay marriage aren't the only ones who will be judged one day - you almighty and righteous ones will be also....

I'll simply sit back and laugh as non-judgmental gay men and women make it into those pearly gates before those who have thrown the stones. "

To Kim wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:48 AM:

" It's called STUPPITY!!! Would you be tolerant of a murderer or rapist? Tolerance should never play a part in something that is wrong! Jesus showed love to sinners but He also said "GO AND SIN NO MORE! People say God loves you and He does but we are to fear God. Did He not destroy Sodom & Gomorrah because of sin?? There are consequences for sin. Now you believe what you want but one day you will face Almighty God and there will be no excuses. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 19, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Entertained, okay I have to give you your props on that one, it made me laugh! It can't be the fondant though, Not big into sweets.Can't be alcohol or drugs either never been high, never been drunk..........oh I remember its called tolerance. "

men and women wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:35 AM:

" I am against gay marriages, because GOD Made ADAM & EVE!! and other people But GOD didn.t say to marry same sex "

Entertained wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:54 PM:

" To Kim: Didn't realize you were a gay abortionist.Kind of hard to do, huh? Must come from eating fondant. "

peace wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:17 PM:

" i am a young child and i have to say so what if a person is gay if god doesnt like gays why did he put him on this earth this doesnt make sence and even if we followed the bible word by word we wouldnt KILL OTHERS and we would have beards and woman would be our slaves now i believe in peace and equal rights so if two men or two women truely are in love they should get married "

Interesting Input wrote on Nov 18, 2008 5:16 PM:

" Homosexuality is spoken of in the New Testament. Go to the Book of Romans, Chapter 1. This is just a small portion of what it says. . . .For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. . For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one . . .And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set with cravings for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequence. . . "

Cajunin California wrote on Nov 18, 2008 4:59 PM:

" "If they overturn that vote can we go to the United States Supreme Court to overturn the Presidental Election ...wiggling eyebrows. "

Again stupidity.
Prop 8 goes against the California Constitution. The CA Supreme Court ruled that Gay Marriage was allowed by the CA constitution. Prop 8 in fact takes away the constitutional right these couples had to marry. "

Welcome to The NEW WORLD wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Everybody needs to get over the fact that there are gay people in the world and there always will be. The majority of ya'll sound like gay bashers. You all needs to think "What if my daughter or son is gay and wants to marry his/her partner?" Would you condemn them as you are doing to everyone else. "

Interesting... wrote on Nov 18, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Leviticus is an Old Testament book - therefore, JESUS did NOT say those words - I believe it was Moses who authored Leviticus, one of four books of the Torah. It is in Leviticus that it also states to not eat seafood and to burn prostitutes alive.

Interesting what we decide to listen to and what we decide to ignore, right? "

To James Washington wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:47 AM:

" It's found in Leviticus 18:22. Now you read your bible! "

Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:40 PM:

" Since when can we overturn by a vote supreme court decisions based on the constitutions of the states and of the country?! There is separation of power in place specifically to avoid this chaos. "

Brian wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:34 PM:

" It's NOT a choice! This is a proven, by numerous scientific studies, performed by many institutions world-wide, including the proclaimed Kinsey Institute, a branch of Indiana University. Furthermore, these "referendums" are not about sex! They're about love and the options to make commitments based on love. The old testament contains references denouncing this behavior because of the time in which it was written. At that time is was also considered an abomination for men (not women) to masterbate, thus "wasting" sperm - the point: populate, populate populate! - to improve everyone's chances of surviving. We don't need that directive now. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:11 PM:

" History cont-
In 1563 the Council of Trent required that Catholic marriages be celebrated at a Catholic church by a priest and before two witnesses.By the eighteenth century the wedding was a religious event in all countries of Europe. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:11 PM:

" General history of marriage-
Until the ninth century marriages were not church involved.Up until the twelfth century there were blessings and prayers during the ceremony and the couple would offer their own prayers. Then priests asked that an agreement be made in their presence.Then religion was added to the ceremony.English weddings in the thirteenth century among the upper class became religious events but the church only blessed the marriage and did not want a legal commitment. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:59 PM:

" cont-
Usually their husbands were more ridiculed than they themselves were, not because of homosexuality, which Indians generally tolerated, but because such husbands usually abandoned their economic status in society, and let the berdache do all the work to create the model household. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:58 PM:

" cont-Gay marriages also occured among the American Indians,particularly the Sioux and the Cheyenne.In most such marriages one of the two men was a berdache a transvestite/medicine man who wore men's clothes only when he joined a war party,where he cared for the wounded.The berdaches were especially popular with young people, for they were excellent matchmakers – in a sense they personified the very concept of marriage–and fine love talkers.They got married to either the loafers of the village, or would become the second or third"wife"of the chieftain. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:50 PM:

" More Historical notes-
In 18th century London,gay men also got married,but without legal sanction. In the 1720s there were about 40"molly houses"in central London disorderly pubs or coffee houses where gay men (called "mollies")socialized,singing bawdy songs and dancing country dances while someone played the fiddle. Many of these gay clubs had a"Marrying Room"or"Chapel"where, according to witnesses,"They would go out by couples into another room on the same floor,to be married, as they called it and when they came back they would tell what they had been doing."These marriages were not monogamous. "

Kimbro aka Kim wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:44 PM:

" Historical Note-
Gay men seem to have frequently married one another throughout history. In fact, in some societies marriages between gay men were officially recognized by the state, as in ancient Sparta, and on the Dorian island of Thera. Much later, in 2nd century Rome, conjugal contracts between men of about the same age were ridiculed but legally binding. Such marriages were blessed by pagan religions, particularly sects of the Mother Goddess Cybele (imported from Asia Minor). "

Mike Rivera wrote on Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM:

" There are too many of you haters out there to fight. I have no proof of this, but I believe every human being has at one time or another had desires for a person of the same sex. They just never acted upon it. So stop the hating and just let people be. My God, don't you know how difficult it is to find love? Enjoy the one your with!!! "

Xavier Johnson wrote on Nov 17, 2008 2:58 PM:

" To Joe,
Wrong Joe! Before there were terms for human sexuality was the word. That word was LOVE. What is so queer about Love? Only the twistedness of the human heart... "

Such loving gays wrote on Nov 17, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Here's to all the people who say that gays are so lovable and kind. Where was the love shown to the old lady carrying a cross on fox news? They knocked the cross out of her hand just because she had a different opinion than them. That's REAL LOVE! "

David Craig wrote on Nov 17, 2008 1:31 PM:

" Ms Majors'
You are absolutely correct! Spell-check people, the word is 'tolerance'. "

Joe wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:35 AM:

" The answer to the question ladies and gentleman is simple. When you talk about marriage you talk about a GOD ordained principle. instituted by GOD for his people and for that people to multiply. That cannot happen with gays and lesbians, no matter what they say!!
Thus there is no more argument.
That is why before political correctiness called it gay, it was called QUEER, because it is not born into man, but a thought of man. "

James Washington wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:17 AM:

" -To not born gay,
What bible do you read? Jesus didn't give out sex advice. If he did, you probably wouldn't be here. "

Helene Majors wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:14 AM:

" Jesus NEVER talked about sex in the bible. He taught love and torrance. If you didn't know this, then why call yourselves Christians? "

Straight Talk wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Just to clarify, Jesus never said "man not to lie with another man" - that is in the Old Testament (please read your bible before referencing it). Secondly, it is also worth noting that nowhere in the Bible are lesbians ever mentioned. So there is absolutely no biblical justification against women having sex with women. Why don't we all take a minute and think on that. And again, marrying a car or an animal is NOT logical nor is comparing gays with murders...you should be ashamed of yourself. "

To you know what wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:22 PM:

" 80% of black people voted for prop 8. Then of course they voted for Obama. However, this begs the question, if 80% of the black community voted for prop 8 why aren't the gay activists protesting against them as well? "

you know what... wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:21 AM:

" I cannot, for the life of me, understand how these California voters went and voted for prop 8 and turned around and voted for Obam (Let's kill the babies). Could someone please explain that one to me. Seems like Mccain should have won California if prop 8 passed. These poor people must be brainwashed into pulling the democrat button.... or what? "

David Breaux wrote on Nov 15, 2008 8:07 PM:

" My best times have been with "straight" married men in New Iberia. As far as I can tell, most straight men run from the altar, not to it. By the way, straight men, do your wives know?? "

whatrights wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:24 PM:

" Was it not the court of Cal. that gave them the right to marry in the first place? The voters just corrected the courts mistake. Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is about all the Constitution has to say, and since we are a republic the majority are suppose to rule. Marriage between man and awoman is recognized by the majority, same sex marriage is not. This is not a rights issue it is a social issue.Can any one show me in the Constitution where anyone has the right to marriage.? Marriage is recognized by society. "

everyonehasone wrote on Nov 15, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Apparently you haven't read the King and King or my Two Dads. These are the new reading material for kids in the progressive schools. My point, it shouldn't be taught in school, it is. As to the marriage of animals or cars, if you would have of ask anybody 30 years ago about 2 people of the same sex getting married the answer would have been "ridiculous". Some scientific studies says alocholism, drugs use, homosexuality, murders, are all in the genes. I disagree and say these are the choice of the individual. Is bisexual in the genes to? "

Entertained wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:42 AM:

" To it's a Choice: I like that comment. Good one!!!! Right below the belt !!!!LOL!!! "

not born gay wrote on Nov 14, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Why would Jesus say "Man not to lie with man" if you were created that way. What about gay people who turn straight ? If they were born that way, they would not be able to change. "

It is a choice wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:57 PM:

" It has never been proven that homosexuality is a genetic behavior. It is a learned behavior. If you feel like you were born gay, then perhaps you should be "born again" John 3:16 "

To Those Who Think Its a CHOICE wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:22 PM:

" A CHOICE is a right or a left turn. You want to take a right turn, but you can CHOOSE to take a left if you force yourself - a CHOICE is freedom to go either way....

To all those who believe being gay is a CHOICE, could you force YOURSELF to become gay? If you say "no way could I ever be gay" - then you've proven my point - there is no choice in the matter - people are BORN this way - and have been since the beginning of time. "

Straight Talk wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:02 AM:

" I really don't want to discuss this with illogical people like "everyonehasone;" however, marriage is NOT TAUGHT in schools. Love/sex/marriage should be taught by parents, and is NOT the schools responsibility. Also, being gay is NOT a choice. You would know this if you ever read any scientific study on the matter or if you actually sat down and talked to someone who is gay. The idea that allowing 2 consenting same-sex adults to marry will lead into marrying a car is not only illogical, but it is also downright ridiculous. "

Free and JUST wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:00 AM:

" In a free country you can't let one couple get married, and deny another couple the same right. Freedom and justice don't work that way.
Besides, if a civil union is the same as [50% failed] heterosexual marriages, then let your daughters and sons "civil union" instead of "marry"
What difference does it make to YOU if a gay couple chooses to marry-what in YOUR life would change? They should be allowed to collect SS if their spouse dies, file joint taxes, and see their spouse in the ICU.
PS-we are talking about HUMANS-not animals and cars!! "

everyonehasone wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:03 AM:

" This has nothing to do with rights. This is an agenda. If gay marriage is allowed then it will be taught in our schools to our children, thus violating our right to freedom of religon. It's not in the genes, it's a choice.
Is marrying animals a right, or marrying your car, where does it stop? People are not saying you cannot be gay, all they are saying is marriage is between a man and woman as it has been all of history. The teachers union gave 2.7 million to defeat the prop. See where this is going "

wondering wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:06 PM:

" Why is it that gays want rights and free speech but when someone disagrees with them, it's called hatred and bigotry. For goodness sakes it does make a difference what people do behind their door. Look up prop 8 on the web and you will hear stories about teachers teaching little kids about the KING AND KING instead of the princess. It rolls on down the line to our children. Some people do try to teach morals and values to their children. It's not about hating the homosexual but hating the sin. I think we have a right too. "

Straight Talk wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:04 PM:

" ToGeorge: homosexuality occurs in nature so your "animals" comment holds no bearing (pick up a science book). Secondly, studies have shown there is absolutely NO correlation between children growing up gay just because they are in a gay home. If your logic held, then there would NEVER be a gay person who had straight parents. Lastly, homosexuality is not a choice, and true homosexuals are not trying to have a carefree lifestyle of sexual debauchery. If someone is truly gay, it is based on genetics, and there is nothing wrong for 2 consenting adults to be in a loving relationship. "

George wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:30 AM:

" What the author is saying is that the people of California voted to ban gay marriage and they won. It should not be up to the Supreme Court to over turn a vote of the people.
To the writer who wrote gay people adopt more children. What do you think the percentage of those children have of being gay, when they see thier so called parents, doing things you couldn't get to animals of the same sex to do! "

ItsAChoice wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:18 AM:

" Did I compare? No, Do not believe I did.

I said giving "rights" based on sexual preferences that ARE NOT based on law opens the door all types of sexual preferences.

There are ALL sorts of "groups" that will demand "their rights" when you start opening different cans of worms. Read what I say and do not twist my words.

I still believe in the unity between a man and woman. Period.

Rolling eyeballs. "

RAGINCAJUN wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 AM:

" My take on gay marriage is this. If it dosn't affect my life in any way, why complain about it. what a man and a man or a women and a women or man and women do behind their closed doors is their business. As long as it doesnt affect me, have fun. There are more important issues in this world then worrying about what they are doing. "

To - ItsAChoice wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:54 AM:

" PEDOPHILIA IS A DISGUSTING CRIME - How in the world do you compare that to being Gay?!

According to your logic, I guess murderers should get the same rights as straight people, right?

Unbelievable. "

Master Sparks wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:53 AM:

" Let all the sickos go to the one state that has no cohonas and just as Jesus destroyed a city he can flush that toilet. And away go troubles down the drain. San Francisco ,bless their heart,finnally said they had enough. The gays don't go further south, for fear of the GAY BASHERS. The influx of the new Americans are mostly Catholic. You don't hear alot about gays in Mexico now do you "

Fed up wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Just to set the record straight. There are alot of gay people with children of their own. Also it seems that they are the ones who adopt the children that no one else will. So who has the love to share you are them. "

ItsAChoice wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:18 PM:

" And where in the Constitution does it say there is freedom of rights for sexual preference?

Next thing you know you'll hear Pedophiles shouting for their rights.

Face it, the MAJORITY of AMERICANS believe marriage is between a MAN and WOMAN.

If they overturn that vote can we go to the United States Supreme Court to overturn the Presidental Election ...wiggling eyebrows. "

Yes indeed wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:03 PM:

" I would hope that the courts would uphold what the citizens voted for. Why vote if the courts will do the opposite of what people voted for. Do you think we could go to the supreme court to have Obama removed? After all he didn't produce a birth certificate yet. What's good for one is good for the other. "

CajunJedi wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Dear Hellooo,

Why is not a civil union that gives the exact same right good enough? If you are getting the same rights but calling it a different name then you should be satisfied. As far as you go calling people bigotted, I suggest you look at the first amendment. "

Helloooo wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:32 PM:

" I agree with overturning that vote! It's LEGALIZED discrimination...It's not an issue regarding what's morally right or wrong or what God says, blah, blah, blah - it's about freedom as Americans...

This kind of discrimination should never exist in the "land of the free" - if you don't like it, fine - you don't like it - but Gay people have rights just as you or I do. And Prop H8te wanted to take rights away from Americans - if you are FOR Prop H8te, you are FOR discrimination! "

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