Blame it on a Mexician

Published/Last Modified on Wednesday, January 2, 2008 8:07 AM CST

Ashley Orduna

When did New Iberia become such a small thinking community? Lately it seems that the overall opinion of a majority in New Iberia is "it's the mexcians fault. I've have never heard of such a thing before. Do you know how backwards this makes New Iberia, and Louisiana look? Can't find a job: blame it on a mexican. Boss won't give you a raise: blame it on a mexican. Gas went up a nickel: blame it on a mexican. Three black teens are responable for damaging vehcicles, can't find them: blame it on some mexicians!

Did anyone ever stop and ask themselves "Why is New Iberia having such a surge within the Hispanic community?" No of course not, it's the mexican's fault. Why is New Iberia having such a surge within the Hispanic community- it's EASY. Because companies are hiring them! Companies are going out of there way to hire more hispanic individuals. If your worried about losing your job, instead of yelling and posting obsesnities maybe you should be talking to your boss. Maybe you should take up your concern at the next Chamber of Commerce Luncheon and talk to local business owners.. No of course not, because you would rather be part of a problem, and blame someone "the Mexicans" than become part of the solution.

And just a reminder out there: Be polite and curtious and try and remeber that certain "deep south" hospatatility we southerns are sopposed to be known for.

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born and raised here wrote on Mar 6, 2008 2:00 PM:

" Do we not think before we type?How can one put down someone when there are so many others that are living off the goverment and having babies every nine months just for the food stamps and welfare.Why pick on the ones thats trying to better their self and their families?Are we that stupid to talk bad about others because we are the ones that are lazy and do not want to work?i know alot of people that run the street and do things that are against the law but yet not one of them are mexicans.Who are we to judge? "

Ashley Orduna wrote on Jan 20, 2008 8:15 AM:

" I would love to know where Wake New Iberia is getting her facts? Wll apparently you've never been to the city park or the Point. B/c there is LOUD much everywhere too. And the last time I checked it wasn't "Mexican Music" that was being played! Ludeness is EVERYWHERE you GO! It just not ONE nationality that's doing it. As for the gangs I didn't see any post from you when they arrested 9 Asian men, w/ties to California asian gangs. Just b/c a couple of hispanic men can't behave, it doesn't mean every haspanic person behaves this way. "

G. Richard wrote on Jan 20, 2008 7:32 AM:

" I'm originally from N.I. and moved to Lafayette at 21; I'm now 35. Is it just me or does it seem that there are more areas under-developing than there are areas developing (i.e. store closures vs. new construction. When I drove in from Center St. via Hwy 90 - it looks as if there are some good changes around Lowes but a mile passed that it gets worse and worse each time I visit. "

Wake Up New Iberia wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:34 PM:

" I'm sorry, our town just don't need an influx of cheap labor with nothing else to do but turn to crime when the job market falls. That is one of the reasons we simply just don't OPEN the borders and allow everyone to come on in! There has been a steady INCREASE of GANG activity since the latino population started coming to the Acadiana area. Sorry, facts are facts. "

Wake Up New Iberia wrote on Jan 19, 2008 2:25 PM:

" All mexicans are not bad. The problem is that they are TAKING OVER the Morgan City Beach with THEIR LOUD music.(no respect for others around them). My 16 yr old daughter is too AFRAID to go to Wal-Mart on a Sunday because she is followed by GROUPS of mexicans. YES it is the EMPLOYERS IMPORTING these good people so work for CHEAP to BOOST their profits. (GREEDY) What happens when the unemployment for cheap labor takes a dip? It is happening NOW, good worker during the day, gang baning at night. HELLO! WAKE UP NEW IBERIA! "

to the editor wrote on Jan 18, 2008 6:01 PM:

" can you answer the people that want to know why this thread got pushed down the way it did, one day it has 55 posts and the next day you push it down and put it has 11 posts people want to know maybe daily iberian need to find someone that can count or that knows how to be fair to the people.lets see if you will post this. "

Yeah, Yeah,Yeah wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:09 AM:

" I am pretty sure it was pushed b/c it is taking up space b/c I heard there are REAL issuses that need to be discussed. I thought this was a REAL issue, guess I was wrong. But it's okay, it was real for 10 days, I'm bood. "

Benita Barrera wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:44 PM:

" I can not tell if you are trying to help the Mexicans or trying to get people to get them out of town or just not deal with them. I don't see Walmart or Super1 Foods turning down there business. They love it when they see five or six guys in a group go into their stores, WHY??..Because they know they are going to spend money. Is that the case if that group of guys were BLACK..No! You have some bad in all races. Get to know some, they are goodpeople.... "

Liz wrote on Jan 17, 2008 6:44 PM:

" That's something I have known for a very long time. They are very hard workers and very friendly. I have never seen a mexican being disrespectful. Which is alot more than I can say for some races.

Off Topic.. why did this thread get pushed way at the bottom of the list when there is well over 50 posts? The editor of this forum needs to find a new day job. "

SUGARCANE FARMERS WIFE wrote on Jan 17, 2008 1:45 PM:

" HEY PATRICIA YOU GO GIRL TELL THEM WHO HAVE NO CLUE WHAT TIME IT IS. WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THE J O B DONE "

patricia wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:37 AM:

" To: Blah Blah Blah for your 411 in mexico they treat you the same way they treat any other person. But if you offend them they will get agressive like any other person. also yes they are scared to get deported. And last they are really hard working people. You know they are known for their hard work. If ya'll don't want them to be here tell all the bums in New Iberia to get off their butts and find a JOB!!! "

shut up wrote on Jan 16, 2008 3:57 PM:

" yall all needa shut the hell up. "

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah wrote on Jan 16, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Hey blah,blah, blah! GET A LIFE..... "

BLAH BLAH BLAH wrote on Jan 16, 2008 9:34 AM:

" VERY GOOD POINTS BUT ARE THEY REALLY BETTER PEOPLE OR ARE THEY SCARED TO GET DEPORTED BACK TO THERE COUNTRY. GO TO THEIR COUNTRY & SEE HOW GOOD THEY ARE "

bigD wrote on Jan 15, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Many Mexican families live in apartments in my neighborhood. I've never seen them "just walking the streets"(day or night)b/c they have jobs, their children are not disrespectful, no loud x-rated booming music and since these Mexicans moved in, we never see the cops. Ever see a Mexican using the race card? Or cause riots b/c they feel "persecuted"? Have whole generations of Mexican families spent lifetimes living off the govt? Ever seen Mexicans threaten violence should their food stamps, welfare checks or govt housing be stopped?
EVER SEEN A MEXICAN TERRORIST?
I'll take MEXICANS over 9th ward transplants ANYDAY! "

Mexican not a race wrote on Jan 14, 2008 8:42 PM:

" For those of you who do not know Mexican is not a race. Its a nationality. "

jess wrote on Jan 14, 2008 12:28 PM:

" ya'll complain about the mexicans, but one thing i know for a fact! = THEY WORK DAMN HARD, and they get pd almost nothing for it. i bet one would wish to be sitting where im sitting making what im making, ya'll wonder why people are hiring them, but no one can keep a local employee for very long around there. how many people actually "retire" from a job in new iberia? anyone have stats on that one? "

SUGARCANE FARMERS WIFE wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:34 AM:

" SARIA BROWN MENDOZA
THANK YOU & YOU ARE EXCEPTED "

Welcome-not welcome wrote on Jan 14, 2008 11:04 AM:

" Ms. Brown-Mendoza, if it were only that simple. But, sadly, it is mostly because of the simple-minded who are quick to look outward for blame rather than inward for change who fuel the hate in New Iberia. My prayer is that the people who wear the label Christian on their sleeves or American on their chests would realize the nature of the Christ and the humble beginnings of this country. Neither is likely to happen with all of the Christians and Americans. But we can hope. "

patricia wrote on Jan 14, 2008 9:56 AM:

" i agree with the sugarcane farmers wife b/c i think she is right for what she says. i understand where she is going unlike others "

patricia wrote on Jan 14, 2008 9:44 AM:

" not all spanish speaking people are mexicans and are illegal. i myself am a mexican-american and i think that if you want a job you should look for it and not blame it on the mexicans. you should be a little nice b/c if there would not be mexicans on this earth you would not have people to work in the fields and everything would go down. mexicans would do anything to have a job other than other people. i think many people should thank god there are mexicans. also there wouldn't be mexican food to eat in these states. "

Saria Brown-Mendoza wrote on Jan 14, 2008 9:19 AM:

" This post was just trying to make people aware of the negative attitudes that we and our families face unjustly. Why is that some people feel the need to lay blame, because of one article written, I do not understand? When you walk into Super One and hear whispering about you, and saying I wish "they" would all go back to where they came from, then maybe you can point fingers. Because New Iberia is my home, I have lived here for the past 12 years. Tell me what do I need to do, to make you accept me. "

Jarred James Breaux wrote on Jan 14, 2008 2:12 AM:

" Pride is the path to prejudice. If you want to have pride in something, have pride in accomplishments, no your race. Once you proclaim your pride in your own race, you set yourself apart from all the others. We are all human. If you want to have pride in something, pride yourself on the accomplishments of humankind everywhere. Pride simply in a state-of-being eventually becomes vanity, arrogance, narcissism, hubris, and eventually racism. "

Another Concerned Citizen wrote on Jan 13, 2008 6:01 PM:

" Ashley, this is my last post on this subject, but please point out specifically in any of my posts where I said that they do not follow laws. I said un-insured cheap labor and they are driving the fully insured businessmen out of business! End of my conversation with you! "

Obvious wrote on Jan 13, 2008 2:58 PM:

" I'm pretty sure "mexician" was a typo. One that I overlooked after reading this thread many times. "

Gene wrote on Jan 13, 2008 7:15 AM:

" Learn to spell Mexican properly. "

Saria Brown-Mendoza wrote on Jan 12, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Why is that some people think that it is okay to take jabs at other peoples' race, even if it it just in passing? Why is it that C.C. feels that they need to finger point to get their point across? I feel that if you are going to call someone out, have the dignity to sign your name. i've been called lots of names in passing. "Chica, wet-back, masa." I'm ok with it, but where I draw the line is, do not ask in a loud voice "DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH" That's an INSULT! "

Ashley wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:35 PM:

" Did you not read the article at all? My husband is Mexican, and he is proud to be a mexican, but that does not mean he is illegal, nor does that mean he came here illegally. I do not know you, nor do I presume to know you. You are the that stated "no insurance, cheap labor, and do not follow our laws". Not me, I pointed out that not everyone falls under that generalization. I am not trying to make this personal, I just stated that not all people who speak Spanish are Mexican. Plain and simple. "

Another Concerned Citizen wrote on Jan 12, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Ashley dear: I did not mis-speak! You need to start swallowing some of your Daddy's fine words and not speak about people who you do not know or presume to know! And if you are white, then whatever race you want to call your husband's is fine with me. And just like all African-Americans are not from Africa, most people still generalize them in one category and call them African-Americans! Maybe you need to start smiling and waving a little, honey! "

Ashley wrote on Jan 12, 2008 8:08 AM:

" I did not misread, you mispoke. You are the one that made those comments, I only pointed out the errors in your statement.You can not make generalizations about people and not back them up.

As for my "race", I'm white baby! My momma is from New Orleans and my dadddy is from good ole' Erath. Born and raised here and proud of it.

My daddy taught me the saying :"Sometimes if you don't know, it's better to say nothing about anything. Smile and wave" You waving and smiling yet?
"

Bart wrote on Jan 11, 2008 11:58 PM:

" This is by far the most wonderful country in the world that we live in. Ashley brought it to light for me. An illegal allien can enter this country breaking the law of this land, have a baby and the child is automatically a United States Citizen. It's 2008. If a woman were to have a baby in another foreign country while breaking the law that child is not instantly recognized as a citizen of that country. I can understand being here because of political or other persecutions, but being here illigally does not mean cart blanch. "

Do it legally wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:42 PM:

" I don't mind if the Mexicans want to come to the U.S.A. and work to better themselves. I do have a problem with some of them being here illegally. They are hard workers for the most part but laws are laws. "

Illegal Immagration Law wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:35 PM:

" Bart, I am not an attorney but I do know the laws. The Immigration Law is Louisiana SB 753 signed into law on 06-23-06. Look it up. As for ICE, I know what you mean. "

Another Concerned Citizens wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:32 PM:

" To Ashley: Reread my posts. I didn't say they were illegal, I said they were uninsured! Read before you post and as far as the LEGAL Citizens I was talking about........I guess you can't read between the lines. Because I wasn't talking about Mexican, Spanish, or whatever you want to call your race! And don't start with pointing fingers at "people like me". You know nothing about me! So, don't presume to from a statement that you misread! "

JOBS wrote on Jan 11, 2008 3:32 PM:

" THE COST OF LIVING IS SO LOW IN NEW IBERIA THAT THE MIN. WAGE IS ALSO LOW, AND PAY RATE! IF THINGS WOULD GET CLEANER AND BETTER MAYBE IT WOULD GO UP... A REGULAR MIN WAGE JOBIN BATON ROUGE WOULD START OFF AT AT LEAST $8... AND PEOPLE STILL ARGUE THAT THE COST OF LIVING IS HIGHER. I WORKED 5 YRS IN N.I. FOR UNDER $8, I WORK THERE AND MAKE $12.88 NOW IN A MATTER OF 6 MTHS! FYI :) "

Jarred James Breaux wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:52 PM:

" Back in the early 1800s, America was faced with two problems: slavery in the south and free labor in the north. One of the reasons slavery did not exist in the north was because there was free labor. Free labor is when you have a large immigrant labor force who is willing to work for anything to survive. Quite often, this includes wages so low that people are left to borrow money to eat each week. Essentially, this is worse than sharecropping. This is happening all over again with Hispanic immigrants. Wealthy business owners are taking advantage of them. "

Not limited to Mex. wrote on Jan 11, 2008 10:11 AM:

" This type of behavior is not limited to the Mexicans. There is a grocery store on Adm. Doyle that underpays YOUNG boys to work (and work hard) regardless of race. They pay about $4.25 an hour under the guise that tips are made. No tips are made. When confronted, anger was reciprocated. School board said they could do nothing. These kids are taken advantage of and nothing is being done. "

Ashley Orduna wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:13 AM:

" To concerned citizen, unless you stop at each construction jobsite, and start checking to see US work permits, do not ASSUME everyone working is ILLEGAL. And do not presume b/c they speak Spanish they are Mexican. It is people like you that give my husband and his friends who are here LEGALLY and came here LEGALLY a bad name! It is not their fault that they want to work or have work ethics. Some people actually like working for a living to provide nice things for their famlies! "

Ashley Orduna wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:07 AM:

" If your are here illegally you can not recieve Welfare, Food Stamps, or Medicaid. Second most hispanic families have to much PRIDE to recieve a handout. Now what they do in other states I do not know, but here in New Iberia you can NOT recieve medicaid if you are pregnant and here ILLEGALLY. Your children will, once they are born, b/c they are now US citizens, but this is no different then any other family whose child is born to parents who do not have insurance! "

Bart wrote on Jan 11, 2008 12:01 AM:

" To address the attorney who wrote about contacting the attorney's general office and the DA in reference illegal alliens. You must mean ICE from the Homeland Security Agency. That dog won't hunt old gal/old pal. Have you ever tried to get ICE to pick up illegals? Try it sometime it sounds like you need a dose of reality. "

Bart wrote on Jan 10, 2008 11:53 PM:

" I must address why local farm workers probably don't want to work. Could it be that in this great country of our's there are certain jobs that don't even have to pay minimum wage? I think so, restaurant workers and farm workers. So we're left with suffering illegal immigrants who would work for anything that's given to them. They're exploited as well as the American worker. We have a long way to go to right the wrongs in this country don't we? "

Bart wrote on Jan 10, 2008 11:40 PM:

" I have to make a small retraction about farmers. There are those that try to do the right thing. Many years ago I actually saw a cane tractor pulling trailors with tail lights. I was very impressed. That fad soon died so I no longer am impressed. What's even worse cane is harvested throughout the night now which makes the roads even more dangerous. I almost lost a family member due to mud being pulled out onto the highwsy at night and not being scraped off. The scraper said it was to dangerous he had nolights. "

Another concerned citizen wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:56 PM:

" Look around Bart at the construction industry. Lafayette is filled with Mexican construction crews, no insurance, cheap labor, and is putting the fully insured contractors that have been in business for years out of business. Its not farmers, because as far as I know, they hire legal labor.
"

Another Concerned Citizen wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:53 PM:

" What is a failure of our government, Bart, is that they fail to check on our LEGAL CITIZENS who would prefer to sit at home and collect a check, or better yet, let one of his women collect a check so that they don't have to work. "

Ashley Orduna wrote on Jan 10, 2008 7:53 PM:

" I would like to thank the people that helped support the article that I posted. Many people do not understand the scrunity that my husband and our children face each day. "

Proud Mexican wrote on Jan 10, 2008 5:36 PM:

" I tried reporting a local temp company here in New Iberia who was taking advantage of my brother and other hispanic me who was here LEGALLY. The temp company was paying them cash every week, and over charging for living expenses. When my brother asked to recieve a check instead of cash, he was FIRED. Along with his two roomates. The temp company continued to use his valid SS# for other hispanic workers who were not here legally. Nothing happened to this temp company. "

Illegal Immagration Law wrote on Jan 10, 2008 3:15 PM:

" A few years ago LA. passed a law. It has to be investigated by a State Agency. If they find illegals working the company can be fined $10,000 for each illegal. Charges are filed through the D.A.'s Office. If you know this is happening contact the State Attorney General. "

SUGARCANE FARMERS WIFE wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:59 PM:

" FOR YOUR 411 THEY GET PD W/ A CHECK & THEY ARE NOT HOUSED POORLY. YOU MUST NOT KNOW A REAL FARMER PERSONALLY "

Re: Bart wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:51 AM:

" Many local farmers hire LEGAL immigrants: seasonal workers who work harder than any local labor we can find. When hard work needs to be done 7 days a week, it is nearly impossible to find a local person willing to do it. We do try! Why would we chose to hire people with whom we have trouble communicating if we had a better option?With our local labor, we actually COUNT on them not showing up the day after payday - it happens that often. They also take off work to meet with their parole officers and child support enforcement. "

jess wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:43 AM:

" LOL, NOW THATS FUNNY!!!! AND YOUR RIGHT..... FARMERS MOSTLY PAY OUT CASH IF IM CORRECT, SOOOOOOOO THEY DONT NEED TO CHECK ANYTHING, JUST HIRE LOW COST LABOR (AND THEY DO WORK HUN THATS FO SURE), & HOUSE THEM POORLY AND CHEAPLY, AND NOT CHECK FOR ANYTHING IN RETURN!!!! CONGRATS! "

SUGARCANE FARMERS WIFE wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:34 AM:

" THESE MEN ARE CHECKED & ARE HERE ON WORK VISA'S. THEY ARE HERE TO WORK THEY QUIT OR GET FIRED THE Y GO HOME AND WHEN THE JOB IS DONE THEY LEAVE. THEY ARE SUPERVISED & WATCHED THEY HAVE HOUSING & ARE BROUGHT TO LOCAL GROCERY STORES & BROUGHT BACK TO THERE HOUSING. THEY ARE NOT JUST LET FREE TO ROAM & GET INTO TROUBLE "

Bart wrote on Jan 10, 2008 1:36 AM:

" Say it ain't so. A farmer getting involved in a conversation about Mexicans. That's like pouring salt in an open wound. This goes straight to the point I made about illegal aliens in this country. No one is checking the employers and fining them for hiring these people. It's a total failure in our government. I can't see it getting any better. I guess we better start learning spanish. Thank you Mr. and Mrs. Farmer for allowing who knows who to come into our communities so you can increase your profit margin. "

Bart wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:41 PM:

" It's not just New Iberia that is becoming infiltrated with Hispanics. Duh! It's the entire U.S.A. But I haven't heard anyone blame Mexicans for any increase in crime in New Iberia. The only crime the majority of them may be committing is being illegal in this country. The way we protect our borders is an open invitation to all those who want to come here. Good, Bad, Ugly. So I'm not blaming the Mexicans. I blame us for not making our leaders comply with American Law. We are the problem. "

SUGARCANE FARMERS WIFE wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:48 PM:

" I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW SOME PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT MEXICANS & HOW THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE SO MANY BUMS LIVING HERE THAT DON'T WANT TO WORK THAT THESE COMPANIES CAN'T FIND GOOD HELP SO THEY GET IT ELSE WHERE. THESE PEOPLE ARE ONLY TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE SO FAR FROM HOME & NEW NOBODY "

Farrow wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:59 AM:

" I think it's important to note that Louisiana was once a Spanish colony (from 1762 to 1800). Indeed, it was the Spanish who welcomed the Acadian exiles to Louisiana and gave them land in this area of the state. Furthermore, our town is called "New Iberia" and our parish is called "Iberia Parish" for good reasons: "Iberia" is an old name for Spain, and, as you may know, a lot of Spanish families settled here. That's why we have so many people named Miguez, Dartez, Romero, Viator, etc. "

Jarred James Breaux wrote on Jan 7, 2008 1:26 PM:

" I have a few hispanic friends. They all speak English, attend a college or university, and are here legally. I understand Spanish and have run into a few groups of older hispanic men speaking about young women in a vulgar way; however, this is no different from the old Cajun men who sit at fastfood resturants early in the morning and make comments about high school girls in Cajun French. There really is not much difference between the Cajun Culture and Hispanic cultures. Both of our cultures contrast greatly to the American ideal society. "

mexican and proud wrote on Jan 7, 2008 11:33 AM:

" I am mexician, i do speak english, I do have a valid LA D.L., I do follow the law, I do not harass underage teenage girls, i do have a valid US work permit, I do have car insurance, I do file taxes every year, I do not get welfare. "

Ashley wrote on Jan 7, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Second, it may be true that some hispanic refuse to conform to more American social ways but that can be said about any culture or race.
As for the obeying laws, driving with valid D.L.'s and insurance that point is moot. B/c there is always more white and black people in the arrest report than hispanic people. Always, take Mondays issue for example. 77 people arrested during the week. Only 4 were hispanic. All I am asking is not to be so judgemental, and rember so HISPANIC people are here LEGALLY. That's all. "

Ashley wrote on Jan 7, 2008 8:45 AM:

" I was responding to an article that was published previously in the month. I do not think New Iberia is 'small thinking' personally. I agree with you about certain cultural differences, but you can't pick on just one race. Because let's be honesty if you are a female, we've all been accousted by males at one time or the other regardless of race. "

Mitchell wrote on Jan 6, 2008 5:27 PM:

" First of all I want to know who said blame it on the mexicans, and what are they blaming. Secoond of all, New Iberia has always been a small thinking community. I do not blame anything on the mexicans, but I am angry at the way that some of them conduct themselves. Many times I have seen older hispanic males talking to very young girls; this distrubes me. I know personally know that many of them will not conform to our way of living. By this I mean learning english, obeying our laws, driving with valid drivers licence and insurance. "

artabr wrote on Jan 3, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Easy to say intill wages drop to $5.00 per hour and the only job you can find is digging ditches.Been there done that,it ani't fun .I had to move 1500 miles with $75 to my name and I don't feel like doing it again. I have no "

Ashley wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:04 AM:

" All I am saying is that Not ALL Mexcians are here ILLEGALLY. Not all people who speak SPANISH are MEXICIAN. There are other countries besides Mexico that speak spanish. Just be a little respectful, that's all I am asking. "

Also New Iberian wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Maybe, we are talking about 2 different New Iberias. Because I was taught that "Self Accountability and Responability" "

New Iberian wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Umm...New Iberia has always been a small thinking community. "

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